thanks LOTR, gone from 5 back to 4.16. lets see if that fixes the problem.

cheers matt

well at least i now know that the problem is with the entire LW program and not just LW 5.
4.16 is just as crappy, doesn't matter what you search for the same 5 things come up every time.
tried to paste it here so you can see my problem but it wont let me.
starting to think that i should just give LW a big miss from now on, but i find FW even worse.