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Old July 22nd, 2002
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Thats all well and good as a proposal, but it's a lot of hardwork when it comes to coding.

First code, then talk.
I'm tired of those bigmouths.
(No offense Nick, there are just too many people telling others what they plan to do but they fail anyway.)

Hope you'll make it, dude
Your next post is going to let us know where to download your beta ok?

By the way, I think its not the best idea to create a proposal for Gnutella 2. The current Gnutella is great, creating a new protocol is too much work. The current Gnutella is evolving daily, just check by in the GDF, they're discussing new features and stuffs all day. Thats why the GDF was started: To have a neutral place where the future of Gnutella can be discussed.


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WTF are you people talking about?

Unregistered needs to STFU, in my opinion.

If Nick wants to post a list of his most-desired features, that's his right.

Are you calling Walt Disney lazy because he wrote up a "spec" on Disneyland? Oh, he didn't get down on his hands and knees and build it himself, so he isn't as worthy of praise or priority than the construction workers? Please!

Get your heads out of your arses. Guess what? The people who design stuff (aka Specs) like System Analysis, Designers, Directors/Producers, Architects, etc. make a HELL of alot more money (and are KNOWN more) than the middle men people. Is that right? Maybe not, but it just goes to show you that the dreamers and designers are worth more than the builders.

Programming is going to be an AI (Artificial Intelligence) job some day in the near future anyways. It's going to be the people who design the applications, protocols (like Gnutella) and what not that are the people of any value.

There are many types of people. Mainly Designers and Engineers. He's a designer. Should he have to be an engineer (programmer) TOO? Let him do what he's good at. It's the responsibly of the engineer (programmer) to listen to his ideas, and make them happen.
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Post Re: Goals for G2 (was GSP)

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Here is my (Revised) Goals for G2 (in order of importance):
1) !! FULL XML COMPLIANCE FOR MESSAGES !!
I think this is the only main feature that current Gnutella network is missing
I mean: querying with xml should be the standard, not the exception. A query should start with a special standard tag, like
Code:
<xgnuquery>
so every client could handle the metadata it recognizes and forget the others. "General" clients would send strings like
Code:
<xgnuquery><std>word1 word2 word3</std></xgnuquery>
and "specific" clients could send
Code:
<xgnuquery><book><title>word1</title><author>word2</author></xgnuquery>
This way I could make a book-oriented client or comic-oriented client or else, without risks of breaking the network.
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Wouldnt the message size get lot lot lot lot lot lot larger?
Phew, I think this would slow down the network real much.
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Paradog:
Wouldnt the message size get lot lot lot lot lot lot larger?
Phew, I think this would slow down the network real much.


Me too, but...
I think that's the only way for having real "content-oriented" queries, without being uncompatible with old protocol specs.

I suspect some clients already do something like that. IMHO, you should send this kind of query only to clients you're sure they can handle it, so the network wouldn't be affected very much.
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Paradog:
Wouldnt the message size get lot lot lot lot lot lot larger?
Phew, I think this would slow down the network real much.


Me too, but...
I think that's the only way for having real "content-oriented" queries, without being uncompatible with old protocol specs.

I suspect some clients already do something like that. IMHO, you should send this kind of query only to clients you're sure they can handle it, so the network wouldn't be affected very much.
I like the meta-data or bitzi stuff more..
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Thanks for the designer post.

After doing a bit more research I concluded that most of what I was proposing was in the works allready, so I decided to put my time to other more useful tasks (sleep...)

The current propigation methods on the network are flawed in their design, as too much bandwidth goes to individual queries and this bandwidth is spread across multiple hops. If you can clean that up and impliment some sort of realtime compression then XML should be the standard.
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