Hahaha! lol I used dial up with LW for 3 yrs. AFAIK this thread is not talking about Bittorrent! So I don't know why you mentioned it, it's off-topic & irrelevant. And Fabion made a very good point that most net users out there are dial up users. If not for dial up users, p2p would be very limited re: no. of users & files available. p2p is not & should not be restricted to those with adsl/cable. What an attitude. lol Bet you're a racist also huh! And talking about living in trees, a well educated person will know that any references they make should be properly defined & accurately given with direct links. eg: quote a statement from a book then you should supply the book & page no. details, etc.
To reiterate, asking for a direct link was & is not such a big deal!

As far as I can tell there is no direct link to i2phex's website, mostly because it's hosted on i2p and cannot be accessed like a normal website. Though there is a inproxy for i2p and from there you should be able to reach i2phex's website.

A direct link to i2p's website was provided, if that helps any.

Really it helps to read through the forums which links were posted here.

Lol, someone actually visited the site, about time.

The developer does not really want too many people to use i2p until version 1.0, this the website contains some discouragements. Anyone that knows the software knows better, of course not many people do.

Put it this way if your looking to host/share kiddie pr0n, forget it. However for general filesharing it's security is more than good enough already. Let's face it there isn't much software out there that can provide a safe enviroment to share kiddie pr0n, though freenet is reported to be filled with it.

So does it yet provide protection from governmental organizations, no. However other types of private/public organizations are no match.

They certainly cannot prove enough to take anyone to court as they have a 1 in x chance of being correct, x being = to the size of the network. Over time as the network grows the x factor will become greater and thus the changes they are correct become more remote. Without reasonable certainty x being close to or equal to 1 they cannot legally justify taking anyone to court. Currently the x factor is around 200 or more, within the next few months the x factor will hopefully grow to 10,000 or more.

Plus there are plenty of perfectly legal uses for i2p. Actually running i2p is legally no different from just connecting to the internet, though it is much safer.

1st.... I am somewhat challenged to see just exactly how the above from me could be classed as 'aggressive'...

2nd.... I have not seen jack s hit about EXACTLY how one is supposed to connect with another computer, via the internet, without using an address...

The subject is changed as peripheral issues are mentioned... Issues that have absolutely nothing to do with 'anonymous' computer to computer connections via the internet.

We have been here before... It was all crap before and it's the same today...

These Gnutellaforums are awash with other posts trying to promote the same nonsense... Suggest that all read all the rest of the garbage on this same subject...

Anonymity on the internet is not real... It is a con... A chimera... A large dose of BS... Crap...

Enjoy p2p,
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Guys, big hint: The point of I2P is *not* hiding the IP address of directly connected nodes. That's technically
impossible. I doubt that you grasp what's meant with "anonymity" in this context. Does "mixmaster" ring any bells?
I guess not.

Take it from someone who's wasted too much time trying to educate such people.

Trying to educate most p2p filesharers is an exercise in futility.

The smart filesharers already don't use regular p2p applications. They adopted alternatives a good while back.

It's true hiding one's ip address is not possible, however making it no longer matter is and that has been well proven already, though most p2p filesharers simply won't do research on the issue themselves let alone want to do very much reading in general.

I classify those people as kaziots (ala kazaa users). Thus pay them no mind. For they are trolls and often unclean (have virii infected systems) and usually don't have anything worth sharing anyways.

Only reason people like us still try to educate anyone, is for the few rare filesharers that can be enlightened.

Heck most people still use internet explorer as thier primary webrowser. When much better alternatives exist (firefox, netscape 8, etc).

The trolls will always care about speed and quantity over quality and safety.

"... A person is smart, people are dumb scared animals and you know it..."not an exact quote for the first mib movie, but you get the point.

Seems this post has not really interested many people so far, really it's no big surprise, considering how little most people care about being targed by the **aa's and thier filesharing clients disrupted by isp's.

Still with the current i2phex version, the network is still around and there are some users.

i2p itself has undergone major changes recently and is scheduled to go through even more in the near future.

Things on the i2p network are rather unclean at that moment, many sites and services are down, there is a new irc network running over it.

i2phex also has changed some, it's website is currently down and it's developer is offline, probably just on vacation though. However i2phex users forge onwards regardless. i2phex now has it's own forum on planetpeer.de and it seems there are some people dedicated to providing services and distributions for it.

I did notice more documentation for i2phex has appeared lately, just the usual user guides, etc.

Also worth noting is this recent post on the i2p forums.

If that doesn't spark a flame war, well I don't know what will.

Anyways recently some people have mentioned something troubling, seems the gnutella networks are having trouble? Sources disappearing, slow speeds, various client applications having even more problems than usual, wonder what is going on? Are people finally getting too fed up with them and just leaving? Have they simply moved on to bittorrent?

Given the state of other filesharing networks and clients, it probably isn't such a bad idea to use i2phex. Taking everything into consideration, i2phex actually comes out ahead of most other filesharing applications.

So far, I have found nothing that would not make me want to use it. Nobody has presented a strong and well informed case against it.

At the very worst, it's still better than using exceem, kazaa and the rest.

I just had alook at www.i2p.net. Opening Words:

"I2P is an anonymous network, exposing a simple layer that applications can use to anonymously and securely send messages to each other. The network itself is strictly message based (ala IP), but there is a library available to allow reliable streaming communication on top of it (ala TCP)"

This may all be very good, but what it has has to do with p2p file sharing I have no idea ..... oh and btw I'm not going to continue reading or contributing to this thread!

Wow. Tons of people are very silly on here.

Here is a couple points I will make:

1. *Users* - ignore this thread. Pay attention again when I2P is released.

2. *Developers* - At least take the time to understand what I2P is. It might be worth your time to make your gnutella client compatible with I2P. Azureus already has preliminary support for I2P integrated into their client. With I2P, IPs are replaced with Base64 definitions. So you would not be reinventing gnutella, just making it work over a different protocal.

I2P *does* have good documentation on their main site (it's not just a forum anymore, nor has it been for awhile):

http://www.i2p.net

Gnutella is itself a protocol. Most of the gnutella community work together to provide improvements that don't harm the network, don't cause unnecessary traffic, etc. in a most responsible way.

I don't see I2P doing that. For a start, it has tried to con people into believing it hides ip addresses when that isn't even possible. What else is it trying to con people with?

Why would the established single protocol programs deviate from their aims to do what some new kid on the block that knows little about community development desires. Why should everybody jump off what they've been doing to do what I2P wants to do. What is I2P anyway, an attempt at multinetworking, which it has been proved time & time again doesn't work properly. Somewhere along the chain, one network suffers. Just look at RAZA's lazy attempt & effect at joining the gnutella community has had. All networks need to be developed equally & without one particular network suffering as a result of more than one being used simultaneously. It simply doesn't work properly. A bit more research & you will realise what I mean. That's if you can be bothered of course. Yes some people have already seen other various program leeching techniques. Quote from the I2P site "People should not use I2P..." lol

Hummm.... If devs are implementing I2P, that might help make people against P2P make an argument that devs are encouraging copyrighted sharing by any means. If I don't want to be traced on the web, I'll use a simple proxy. If I want an anonymous P2P, I'll turn towards Freenet which has a good goal of a free internet to compensate censorship. I2P is NOT a transparent P2P and would not be a welcomed addition to a P2P. Too much room for abuse either by users or corporations.

Can you name a single P2P that integrated I2P by its main devs? What were their justifications, if any?

Also, as LODR points out, a protocol over another protocol isn't really a worthy solution most of the time...

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Okay. Let me try another approach. This thread turned pretty ugly pretty fast.

The only point of this thread was:

Gnutella Developers might want to research I2P. It can be learned about here:

http://www.i2p.net


As for examples of mainstream P2P devs that have already investigated and started using I2P, the main one is Azureus. Since 2.3, Azureus has had preliminary I2P support. Thier justification, anonymous BT.

I never said it hid IPs. I don't think anyone here did. I'm sorry if you were misled. Before you ask me how it's anonymous then, just go research it on it's site.

Again, this is not for users yet. If you are just a P2P user, I don't think it's worth your time to look into I2P yet. As stated: "People should not use I2P"

So please, let's keep this civil eh?

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Hi isamoor,

Your info looks pretty good (along with what I already know about i2p).

The only problem is, that the changes in i2phex are extremely hard for the phex-maindev to use, because the programmer of i2phex denied cooperation (I had a discussion about this with GregorK).

I think it sad, that often it requires that type of people to get something running, but hey, that seems to be a fact of human psychology.

I'm quuite glad, that i2phex exists, and I hope, that such a step will be taken again (but maybe a bit more structured next time, we were quite exstatic when that guy first said, he'd try it, and I think, we'll try to do what we can to help building such a version of phex again, when the dev agrees to make the changes in such a way, that both projects profit, i2Phex and the standard Phex, which means that sharing of code must be possible).

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Both i2phex and i2p have recently undergone major updates.

I2Phex has been tweaked for better transfers and been given a system tray feature. While i2p has had many bugfixes and gained much better network compatibility.

Anyone with a fast broadband connection is welcomed to come join the invisible gnutella network. As it is not really designed for dialup speeds.

The major problems that both i2p and i2phex had in previous versions are gone.

Remember unlikew with other gnutella clients, you do not need to run software like peerguardian, mess around with blocklists without being 100% protected. With invisible gnutella your ip address is not used and you do not even know the ip addresses of the other peers.

As the i2p network grows you gain greater protection and anonymity. With already over 400 peers and growing, now is a great time to join the network and become invisible.