Gnutella over i2p seems to be now possible. First "working" alpha of i2phex has been released.

Speeds are reported to be decent. Though install and setup are a little involved. Still anonymous secure gnutella filesharing is here at last.

The i2p-gnutella Network is bound to grow. The i2p network itself seems to be growing once more, since the release of azureus 2.3.0.0, users seem to be joining the i2p network.

I2p now has several major filesharing solutions.

Bittorrent
Gnutella
Quartermaster(which is a distributed data store, similar to freenet)

It's communication features are impressive as well.

irc
jabber
gnutella client to client chat
forums

Even websites are hosted anonymously and securely over it.

All these features and types of networking work much better and faster than they do through tor.

Anyways back to gnutella related details. After trying i2phex you might ask what's so different, it doesn't seem slower, or have more features than standard gnutella clients. The big difference is the i2p network and it's features.

A example of gnutella-i2p speed, about 2mb transferred between two clients in roughly 2 minutes. Considering how the networking resources are distributed and the client's bandwidth limit settings that is really impressive at least for gnutella.

While most gnutella users are not expected to upgrade right away, anyone interested in testing and helping to develop it would want to check it out this early on.

Oh and lest I forget, gnutella-i2p is a port of gnutella to i2p, there is no bridge between the two and probably never will be, as gnutella-i2p is to be considered a (desperately needed) security upgrade. No more need for complicated marginally effective ipfiltering, blocklists, tricks, etc. Anyways in order to use i2phex you must be running a i2p node/router.

Why bother with unsafe, vulnerable gnutella networking, now that an upgrade exists. Now there is finally a choice.

Further details and links concerning i2p, i2phex and anonymous secure filesharing can be found at Planetpeer Forums.

Do, do, do explain - Precisely - exactly - EXACTLY - how internet connections are maintained with anonymity.

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The anonymity and security is handled by the i2p network, there are details concerning how on thier website. The website explains such things far better than I could, really there is no need for people posting to forums to submit such details. Additionally for live discussion concerning i2p, there are irc channels. Also you could check out thier forums as well.

If you are already familiar with the tor project, then simply put this is a simular encrypted anonymising overlay network, only it works much better and has decent client applications, better internal websites, etc.

You should give us a direct link to the thread in question rather than to the main index. ukbobboy01 has posted about how no matter what precautions you take you will leave your footprint no matter what. Every site you visit via your browser, etc. So .. need a bit more of a specific reference to show us to make your point.

spunkyone9r

You seem to be selling smoke and mirrors, i.e. something that has no substance.

As Ursula and LOTR have both said, where is the beef? (Apologise if you guys are vegetarians.)

Spunkyone9r, unless you can come up with or can point to something that explains how i2p can render its users anonymous then you just come across as another one of a long line of vendors pushing vapourware.



UK Bob

First I'm not selling anything. Second I'm not a vendor. Finally I didn't write i2p nor had anything to do with it's development.

As to the question where's the beef. The beef is on thier website, all details concerning i2p and how it works is there.

I2p is open source, freely availible, doesn't cost a dime. There is nothing about it that is even close to being considered vapourware like. Just because you can't be bothered to spend a few seconds and visit it's website, doesn't make something vapourware.

Also I pointed out that I'm not the best person to explain all the detail concerning i2p and for that matter there is no good reason I should have to, certainly when they are all posted on the project's website.

Of course I shouldn't expect anything much from you guys, after all it's likely anyone that can understand the project is already running the application... which explains why there are only a couple hundred people running it. Most filesharers these days are just not that bright.

Despite repeated requests you've failed to point us anywhere except a forum. So are we & others expected to believe heresay.

I agree that the OP is a little too euphoric and
I2P is a project in progress i.e., unfinished. However, that's no excuse for being so harsh
and ignoring the explanations:

http://www.i2p.net/home
http://www.i2p.net/how_tunnelrouting

However, I don't think that the common user of a filesharing network needs anonymity and I2P
will be much slower on average than the
usual way. Unfortunately, P2P has become a synonym for illegal filesharing.

Hell, if people gave a **** about security they
would use real operating systems, encrypt
their mails and wouldn't execute random files. Hey, you can have all of that for free and legally!
Who cares? I'll tell you: Nobody.

The common filesharers do need anonymity, it's at least desireable to anyone sharing pr0n, cracks or anything copyrighted. As to I2P's speed sure on adverage it is marginally slower, due to the encryption and routing, however it's still faster than tor and other simular projects. Really it slightly comprimises speed for safety and as a result there should be more content and sources (something most filesharing networks are greatly lacking).

True enough, most people don't give a **** about security and they pay heavy prices for such disregards. Problems (spam, virri, etc) with email are costing companies money and wasting users time.

Dear LOTR

I have just seen your note and have found the URL link I originally posted:

http://www.deckertechnology.net/tech....php?p=473#473

This link, as you know, explains why your IP address cannot be hidden.


spunkyone9r

I am sorry that you feel that I have attacked you and that you needed to strike back but that was not my intension.

However, there have been many advocates of new and emerging technologies over the past twenty or so years in the computer industry and, as you know, many of those technologies have come to nothing. iP2 maybe a new technology that will revolutionise the way we work and play over the internet but at the moment there is nothing that jumps out to say, “this is the way to go”.

And, forgive my dimness but, iP2 seems to require a lot of extra resources for an emerging yet unproven technology.

Until there is something more that can be demonstrated then iP2 is destined to stay in the realms of the enthusiast



UK Bob

Err, first of all it's name is i2p not ip2.

Anyways it isn't a unproven technology, it's a very actively developed project and has live working network which is very impressive.

Also the i2p-gnutella network has been growing nicely, so far at least 22 users have tried it, though the actual number of currently active peers is unknown (mostly due to some issues with the current version, which are going to be resolved in the next release).

Let me point out the i2p doesn't hide ip addresses at all, it doesn't try to do what is impossible. Instead it makes them no longer much of a issue, as all anyone can prove is that you are running a i2p node, not what any one specific node is transferring, nor which node belongs to any one specific member. Basically i2p has many perfectly legal uses (far more than any filesharing solution) and is more of a general networking privacy solution than a filesharing one.

So yeah the ip addresses are known, but so what in this case it just doesn't matter. Unless where you happen to live, they make it illegal to run i2p (only place in the world I can think of would be china).

Anyways the great thing about i2p is it'd be really hard to justify outlawing at least in countries like America.

The primary reason I struck back was because of the incorrect statements and assumptions that were being made. Nobody bothered to visit the project's website and read about what they were making judgements about.

Finally let me say I never claimed i2p hid ones ip address and I'm not sure why that was assumed.

This is one of the references to so called 'safe' anonymous use of p2p. It's the way you made it sound. I wasn't making assumptions, just asking for a direct link. Very simple thing to do rather than send us to the main page of a forum. This forum here is very large.

Fast transfer depends on connection speed for a start. Someone using dial up is not about to transfer 2 MB in 2 mins. But someone using any Gnutella client can transfer directly to someone else even much much faster if they have the appropriate connection speeds & settings.

It'll be interesting to see how the i2p project goes.

Uh that's true, however someone using dial up isn't likely to use i2p. The routing and such wasn't designed to work on such a limited connection. Considering most people are upgrading to broadband and leaving dialup behind, it's just another reason to get broadband.

Oh and from a dialup point of view regular gnutella, gnutella2, edonkey2000 and even kazaa are not too bad when it comes to sources and speeds. However on a broadband connection such networks and clients are too poor and limited. Which is why bittorrent is so popular.

Anyways i2p's coming along nicely as far as I can tell and unlike other networking applications it doesn't hog the connection and interfere with other activity like webrowsing (for example a poorly configured shareaza client will seriously fudge up webrowsing). The initial udp networking tests produced greater than expected results and hopefully will be ready for use by most/all of the network, which means i2p will scale much better.

spunkyone9r

So basically what you are telling us is if you have dialup it cannot be used.

Which BTW I believe more users are dialup than broadband at the present.

It's a novel idea idea, but I for one will wait, because I don't believe it is all you have made it out to be. I still don't see a direct link which has been asked for, nor do I see you registering as a member.

So why I should I believe anything you have posted is true.

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Learn to read. First of all, "dialup" can be 3 Mbps DSL connection. What is meant, though, is 56Kbps and ISDN.
You can use those but it will be ******* slow. Everything
is ******* slow with such a connection. All you can do with that is leech, so forget about Bittorrent.

With that kind of attitude we'd still live on trees. I'd
also suggest to get them data to backup your claims. Dialup
vs. broadband is comparing apples with oranges. Nowadays
dialup is usually nothing but ADSL with bandwidths from
128kbps to 8Mbps. Those who still use 56kbps crap cannot use
filesharing properly at all anyways.

Well, stay on your tree then. Ever heard of the chicken & egg
problem?

Are you blind or just dumb?

This thread isn't about registering vs. not registering. Stay
on topic or shut up.