I prefer to post anonymously myself, because it actually forces you to make your posts make sense - or they will be disregarded.

'Reps' only encourage you to rely on your rep.

I ended up getting a nick because a) some nazis consider it necessary or they don't listen, b) main one, it makes it easier for me to find my old posts to refer to them.

Nos
PS here is <A HREF="http://www.limewire.org/">KathW</A> for the imte being. I think they must surely be due to promote some other volunteer worker on limewires site shortly.

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I think that is the reason why Vinnie demanded that ONLY registered people are allowed to post in the bearshare forums...

Funny is that only people who don´t like Vinnie or bearshare make trouble... I WONDER WHY???

Morgwen

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No, I prefer to log in and be heard. I have no problem with xolox. Was I in favor of blocking it? Yes. The client was no longer in development and any problems with it were not going to be fixed. Therefor if it was harming the network I thought it should be blocked. I am happy to see that the Xolox team will be back with a new client. I look forward to seeing what new inovations they introduce. In fact I have been talking with them making suggestions.


Yes, it is funny that "only only people who don´t like Vinnie or bearshare make trouble". Vinnie has definitly rubbed some people the wrong way to put it politely, but he has made an excellent client and helped keep the gnet alive. Often I feel that there is no point in coming to these boards as the troll population here is so large. Very little gets accomplished besides people complaining about this and that.

Gnutellafan,

tell me what you are doing besides COMPLAINING???

Yes all people here are trolls because they don´t agree with your bearshare propaganda!

Some of this so called trolls tried to say there opinion on bearshare.net but on bearshare.net there is CENSORSHIP, our KING Vinnie don´t want disagreement in his kingdom!

It doesn´t matter if Vinnie make a good client or not until he is not able to discuss critic without flames, look at Limewire these guys are able to read critic, reply politly and discuss it...

Morgwen

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Morgwen,
I dont know what posts you follow over at bearshare.net but Vinnie has always been very open to my ideas and critics as long as they are presented in a constructive manner. I would not expect anyone to respond to, "i hate x." Tell them why x is bad and what you would suggest to change it. Ideas for improving the network. The same topics are always repeated here:

- "no comercial clients" (these same people probably would have complained about netscape and IE as commercial clients for the internet).

-"no spyware/adware". Hey, you have choices as to what client you use

- "Vinnie rules the GDF". I agree that watching the GDF is a slow and frustrating experience. But you cannot blame this on Vinnie. Different ppl have their priorities and push them. It is an open network and anyone COULD implement anything they want. I could point you to countless threads on bye packets, date stamps, and all kinds of other stuff. The fact is that Vinnie, nor LW, rule the GDF and that is exactly why things take so long. They listen to all of the developers and work on an agreement! That is the nature of an open protocol. A closed protocol network could move much faster.

-"BS blocks client X". IF you agree with this or not it doesnt really matter. BS will still allow ALL clients to upload and download from it. It will return searches to all clients. It just doesnt connect to them. So what. The network is huge. You only connect to 1-20 clients. So none of them are BS, SO WHAT.

-"BS clusters". So what. It doesnt effect the rest of the network and there is still plenty of interconnection with the rest of the network. LW does the same thing. WHY? Because they offer features that the rest of the network doesnt. If they arent near other clients with the same features than the features are worthless. It would be stupid not to cluster.


So, what are some issues that I have strongly disagreed with Vinnie on?

-"Limiting search results": Before everyone flames Vinnie, I should point out that John Marshall (Gnucleus) just proposed the same thing at the GDF (and yes he participates in the GDF). The limiting of search results is a major fault of the FT network. We need to make Gnutella better than FT, not the same.

-"Partial file sharing": Vinnie does not believe in the virtue of this feature. I have pushed it hard at the BS forums. Vinnie has always replied with reason and logic (though I still disagree). He has NEVER deleted, edited, censored any of my posts.

The bearshare forums are an open place for constructive input.

of course the post above is mine. Hate for anyone to think that I wouldnt log in.

And of course it's "propaganda" if you don't agree with it.

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Perhaps not your posts...

Do you really think Vinnie will tell you when he delete a post?

What is with the hidden spyware forum? I think this forum is deleted now?

The last sentece is bearshare propanganda!!! All voices have to be heard, I mean ALL... Gnutella is one community so all voices count, not only this who suggest something constructive!

I remember that I posted something similar to your posts, Vinnie called it offensive and started a Kick Morgwen poll! His arguement was that I flamed him - I ask him if he is kidding us? Yes, and I know at least 100 other flames from Kutulus and some others guys in his holy bearshare labs... they were never edited or deleted... yes if you agree you are allowed to flame if not...

Morgwen

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I disagree. First it is Vinnies board, so he is free to do with it as he sees fit. Even if that is not the case, as in gnutellaforums, NON-constructive input gets in the way of anything productive. If you cant see that then you are blind. I know that many people here would like to believe they are the rebels fighting the evil empire that is BS, LW, and the_gdf, but fact of the matter is very little has come out of here. Most of the active developers of clients, including Gnucleus, Cultiv8or, Swapper, ect all participate with an equal voice at the gdf. Vinnie may hell louder but it still doesnt count anymore when they put matters to a vote (and they do vote and each client gets ONE ( as in 1, the number between 0 and 2) and ONLY ONE vote. Yes, Bearshare gets only one vote. LW gets only one vote. Gnucleus gets only one vote. If xolox or phex wanted to participate they would get one vote each as well. They might have to put up with Vinnie yelling at them but that is all he can do. And as you said its an open network and Vinnie is free to do so. Unfortunatly it has burnt many bridges and people look negatively on a great client.

As for your deleted thread I have no idea what the contents were. You dont have to like Vinnie personaly but all I am tring to do is be a voice of reason here, presenting the other side of the argument, for all of those that come here and read these msgs.

YOU DISAGREE???

Lets see what Vinnie said!!!

House Rules

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BearShare.Net is a place for BearShare users, the Gnutella community, and all individuals interested in file sharing. It is also a place to make friends and hang out. Please remember this is a forum for people from all over the world and from all walks of life.


Hmm...

sounds like ALL people (it doesn´t matter which client) can post their opinions! He don´t say something about IT MUST BE constructive!

I don´t know what is your problem with gnutellaforums? And I really want to know why you post here if you don´t like this side? I quitted posting on bearshare.net because I am tired of discussion with people who want to hear only one side - Vinnies side!!!

I ask me why you come here and post if you think its wasted time? Or do you want to promote bearshare? Yes as a new bearshare mod you have to make PR!

Morgwen

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what a hipocrisy! bearsharefan (calling itself gnutellafan) is a Bearshare moderator. Pfft, his blabla about neutrality and testing all clients and bearshare is best, I can't hear it anymore.
I would rate him troll, BUT he knows about Gnutella details and is most time friendly (not like Sephiroth) and he does not tell lies (like Mrgone69). kissing vinnies butt isn't enough, but we know about your "neutral" postings now.

And here you only want to hear the anti-bearshare side. Where is improvement in that?

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this is a developer forum and the subject is 'all developers ' not 'all trolls wake up'. you have no idea about programming or gnutella protocol, would you please stop.

No I don´t want to hear only the anti-bearshare side - but i want some arguements from people who know what about they are talking, coders etc. not some people who think repeating what Vinnie told them is the best!!!

Morgwen

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I have made no secret of the fact that BS is my favorit client. I used LW first but found BS to work better for me. I continue to try other clients but always go back to BS becasue it has the features that work best for ME. I have no problems with people that use other clients. I really could care less if everyone uses bearshare or not. Everyone has their own reasons for why they like one client over the other. In case you never venture around you will also find me posting at the_gdf, gnucleus.net, in the LW forums and where ever else I see fit. I am indeed a fan of gnutella and have been working hard to help contribute what I can to its improvement. It does not take the ability to write code to UNDERSTAND gnutella and the networking. I am not a programer but as far as I know no one else in this thread has a client or has contributed significant code to a client, so if you ask me to stop contributing my IDEAS (and I wont) I would ask you to do the same.