i dont know about you, but i get a woody every time a bearshare brownoser is attacked, oooooooohhhh do it again!

Maybe if people could reply without resorting to personal remarks and sticking to the topic. Which is what i was complaining. But if you think its ok then ill just ignore it and their entire post in the future. Ive been called worse.

I didnt "whine"(in your terms) to Phantom81 post or any of the posts before.

But how can anything really be discussed anything if nothing but personal remarks, insults and etc are flying back and forth? Also what about things in the past here like all the anti-bearshare/limewire posts. Where all those really mature and meaningful posts posted by "mature" people.

please make this private or whine at home, kid.

gnutella forums is the only place you can tell the truth about bearshare or limewire without being edited or deleted so it's no wonder there's so much bearshare bashing going on here.
everything is happy, happy, happy on the other forums (with massive deleting going on that is)

Hmm...

personal attacks? I tried to post on bearshare.net a few times after the kick Morgwen poll - what do you think how the people discussed with me? They insulted me too!!! What do you think what I have done? I ingnored it or replied ironic, but I never whined that they attacked me!!!

And what you are calling attacks and flames are normally ONLY unfriendly replies - if you want to see REAL flames go to bearshare.net! Yes they called me a NAZI only because I live in Germany!!!

If you feel insulted ignore it and reply to the topic, but STOP whining with every second word about it!!!

And please STOP to claim that Moak or me hide behind every corner, not every anti-bearshare post is from us!

Morgwen

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My last post was only about the topic and you haven't answered to any of the points

Let me repeat it: you also haven't answered to it. You only whined about the next post


Simple idea: talk only about the topic, don't flood and don't think everyone wants to attack you. Different people have different opinions. I hope that's ok for you.


By the way, Sephiroth, Moak told me i should tell you something:

- detailed information about it is there: OpenSource P2P Debate, it's about choice
- "nice greetings from Moak, he did explain enough and also doesn't talk with trolls."


P.S. Please answer my post where i described everything in detail, and don't whine any more...

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GREETZ - *Phantom81* ;-)

"I tried to put my work in the Gnutella project some time before Blubster, but it was a bit chaotic to get your ideas heard."
Says creator of Blubster on Zeropaid http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../04222002a.php

"BearShare is awful, and I think that Vinnie guy should either play by the Gnutella rules or design his own network."
Says hackmaster himself Dr. Damn http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../04212002a.php

Gnutella does have a problem and that problem is the fighting between fans of each client. When we fight with each other we are just helping out the RIAA and their goon's.

The absolutly worst thing that could happen to the network would be if the different clients started blocking each other. This would result in little sub-networks forming (i.e. a BS network, a LW network, a gnucleus network, etc.). These sub-networks would be easy for the RIAA with all its resources to attack. Right now the only reason that Gnutella is immune to attack is the networks size. In order to attack you would need to be able to map and monitor the network. This is impossilbe at present but if the network sub-divides into factions then it becomes possible.

Keep the network sharing and keep the network strong. BS/LW are commercial ventures that require a strong network in order to be succesful. It is in their best interset to keep the network strong and out of reach of the RIAA. The other clients benefit from the added contributions of BS/LW.

There are things that we don't like about what certain developers are doing BUT we all have the option of using a different client. As long as those developers are allowing their clients to share with the rest of the network on the most current protocol (I know this will hurt those using older clients but protocol's do change and it is not resonable to expect developers to make all the clients backwards compatable, though this does improve an individual clients ability to find rare files) then they have the right to develop their clients any way they see fit. A client that prefers itself to other connections is not seperated from the network (it still will connect outside of its own kind) and its files are still accessable to others on the network.

Viva Gnutella

This is exactly what bearshare and Limewire are doing!

Yes sure actually they can share from each other but do you really think this is the last step? Vinnie is talking for a long time now that he wants to create his own net! And nobody hacked bearshare and can explain us what this encrypted packets etc. are doing... yes there are users reported that bearshare cuts the connections!

Only future will tell us who is right!

A yes fans fighting against each other because its a famous sport on bearshare.net to trash other clients (see Xolox), some people there think they are something special because they are using bearshare and not client X! The idea behind Gnutella is helping each other and not just yourself, I see more and more that the commercial clients don´t want to help... they create new feature, instead of creating a new protocol which includes the proposals and this new features they cluster their nodes together!

Yes Viva Gnutella - but ALL should respect some rules...

Morgwen

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No, the commercial clients are the weak point. You have a company that can easily be sued out of existance because they are underfunded and would fold in a minute if they had to hire a real lawyer. Most would rather dissapear then fight with some real cash.

Open source, free to use clients are the way to go. Support them! Write some docs, suggest some features, convince others to run the clients instead of commercial ones, do some PR for them. Do whatever you can and you can help to save gnutella from the RIAA!

The RIAA knows greed, they know how to use it against companies and they know it won't take much to take out a big chunk of gnutella any time they want through the commercial clients.

If we are all using open source, free to use clients, gnutella can't be stopped or slowed down in any way. If someone does something to the network directly, we can respond quickly with a code fix and distribute that fix quickly, within hours. If the RIAA tries to use threats to ISP's, then we make some code changes quickly to prevent that.

There's no stopping open source clients!

Exactly, give it a name: Bearshare fans started it, tolerated from Vinnie. BS fans trashing other clients were often made a VIP (very important person) or a moderator on bearshare.net. Don't forget Vinnies position: badmouthing anything that isn't Bearshare. Doesn't sound like a improvement for me.

BS/LW do not strongen the network, they try to control the network and make it a BS/LW network. Meanwhile they disadvantage other clients, create obstacles, puting fuel on the fire of clients badmouthing, discourage and prevent other developers and spread serious scumware to pay their own bills. That's the problem.

Bearshare now includes Cydoor. They have announced there will be a PRO version, like Limewire, without any kind of 3rd party software

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../04272002a.php

they never get enough. make money with spyware, make more by selling a spyware free version. I'd like to know which greedy idea comes next.

Bearshare lite?

Morgwen

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Saeger wrote on Zeropaid:

"I remember it was only a year ago when Vinnie was absolutely EMPHATIC that he would NEVER charge for BearShare (in any form) - the company is even named FreePeers, Inc. [...] I would link to the relevant bearshare.net posts, but they were all conveniently wiped out in a mysterious screwup a while ago."

http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../05082002e.php