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July 3rd, 2002
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 How I spy on Gnutella for big corporations Soon I may be offered big dollars from a big corporation to write a very advanced client, using a team of programmers so that I can produce the most popular client for Gnutella. It has to be very popular because it needs to be distributed all across Gnutella to do it's dirty work properly. This client will spy on all nodes that it can from it's horizon and report back to a bank of servers located at our new multi million dollar computing spy center. Please stop me. They have tried to spy on Gnutella using nodes running at the corporate office. Remember that a single node has only a limited horizon, and due to the distributed nature of Gnutella it costs too much to set up thousands of computers and set up a network of distributed IP addresses so this can't be detected or blocked. The idea is to become the most popular and most distributed client so it's easy for these corporations to keep the Gnutella network under control through enforcement and network disabling methods. Control is what these corporations have lost, control over their content, and this can help to give it back. They are desperate and may ask me to add features to slow down or disable certain "uncontrolled" parts of the network, such as those nodes that use encryption or other means to keep us from spying on them. If we can make those nodes less popular, then people will move to our client and control will then be enforced. This will be designed in a way to keep even the best hackers from detecting what we are doing. Spy data will be saved and sent in random bursts at random times, and will be encrypted and hidden in headers, search results, or special bytes that look normal and other means I can't say here. Please stop me. Please expose this! Control of the network is what it is all about. I don't know if it's legal to make someone's computer a spy node without telling the user, but who's going to know? Who's got the dollars to sue anyway? One thing that they won't let me add are ways to spread those corporations' content without detection, so you probably won't see our spy program doing things like encryption for files or any other features that help distribute their content without them knowing it. (note that Unregistered users never come up with any good suggestions, ideas, warnings about bad clients or anything like that, so let's block them so they conform to the norm)  |
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And note this thread has nothing to do with "side feedback" and I am not going to move it every time. Morgwen
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| If that is a real idea, I think it's not very smart. A new network/client would become popular only because it had more and faster downloads, namely illegal downloads. And popularity would plumment when the spy-client decided to start cracking down. |
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 Hello! Personally I think that this Unregistered users post are a bunch of BS and untrue 
__________________  Sincerely Joakim Agren! |
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| Yes The author of this thread brings up a VERY important point. Do not underestimate any of the forces who would stop file sharing, and be ever vigilant for attacks on the network - they take many shapes and forms. I would like to also point out another scenario - they could simply offer an existing Gnutella servent (BearShare?) a lot of cash to take over their product in secret. They would have to pry BearShare out of my dead fingers before I let that happen. |
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| I believe there are a couple of closed-source clients that could be (or are already) used for that kind of attack: - BearShare maybe Vinnie has got an evil twin brother or something or he is cloned by some evil corporation - Shareaza Who are those guys anyway? Judging from their speed of development, they have quite some resources. Shareaza consists of two words 'share' and 'reaza'. If you change the order of the first two letters the second word becomes 'eraza' or 'eraser'. So Shareaza really is the 'share eraser'. I think Shareaza is sponsored by the RIAA to destroy gnutella once it's popular enough. - Morpheus 2.0 Incompetence might even be a greater danger to the gnutella network than the RIAA - QTrax Everyone should know by now that it was created to destroy gnutella.
__________________ Ich verabscheue euch wegen eurer Kleinkunst zutiefst. Last edited by Taliban : July 3rd, 2002 at 08:00 AM. |
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| Taliban, that is exactly the point. I think the only way to avoid those problems is to opensource the clients. Gnucleus & LimeWire did it and both clients can be trusted. But hey, isnt it a bit like the Illuminati stuff? If you change the order of the first two letters the second word becomes 'eraza' or 'eraser'. So Shareaza really is the 'share eraser' I mean that 23 stuff? (Adam Weisshaupt was the founder, he was born 1723, W is the 23th letter in the alphabet, if you take 2 + 3 its 5, 5 is the number of the devil (pentagramme (penta = five)). Blablabla 
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NO! I do not underestimate the threats to the network I am fully aware of them but I think that this specific post was a joke and I do not believe in his/hers story about someone paying him/her to create such a client the fact that the user posted as unregistered just incresed my suspicion to the post and that it is just a joke or someone trying to get attention.
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 Taliban can you tell me why the war against Shareaza? and what did Qtrax do to destroy the network nothing to my knowledge?.Just proof of the Gnutella protocol strenght against attacks. Why do you think that BearShare are destroying the network?
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Maybe I have who knows!In a previous life maybe I was a crab or something The reson I tghink that Gnutella is strong against attacks is because it is so decentralized and with so many clients so a Single client can not destroy it just harm it a little bit and since it is open source developers will always fight back against attacks. Quote:
__________________ Sincerely Joakim Agren! Last edited by Joakim Agren : July 3rd, 2002 at 12:21 PM. |
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Not to mention that no form of security can be built-in to any open-source clients. IMHO, the only thing open-source does is allow creeps to rip off someone else's code, change a few things, such as links and ads (either ripping them out, adding some in, or replacing the old ones with new ones so the new company gets the money instead), and stick their name on it, and more often than not, the new clients don't care about the health of the network... Think Morpheus, Freewire, etc.
__________________ Gnutella Forever! RIAA Never!  ...and, um... Gwen Stefani Forever! Moby Never! |
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You have to take the good with the bad.! Open Source of all kinds is good just look at Linux.And as far as Gnutella clients are concerned look at LimeWire probably the safest client out there. But ofcourse there will always be some bad ones out there but thats the price we have to pay in order for the network to continue developing fast.Personally I think that the network will just get better and better even if some bad clients comes out hopefully the Gnutella users are smart people and chooses the correct clients. By the Way Cool No Doubt gif you have there but why dont you like Moby?
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 I dunno, I just don't really like him, and when I think of Gwen Stefani, Moby always seems to come to mind. Southside
__________________ Gnutella Forever! RIAA Never! ...and, um... Gwen Stefani Forever! Moby Never! |
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