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View Poll Results: Should Gnutella Developers start working on achieving anonymity on Gnutella?
Yes it is of great importance! 23 88.46%
NO!I dont care if Gnutella looses lots of its great content! 3 11.54%
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Old December 25th, 2002
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Hello!

It feels good to be back here it was a while since the last time I was here.!

This is the story:

Some of you veterans here on the forum might remember my popular post I wrote back in July(Seems to be deleted by now) about me beeing a victim of an Interdiction attack from Warner Music.Meaning they started downloading lots of files at the same time to occupy all of my available upload slots so that no one else could download from me.It is a part of the record industrys last attempt to cause disturbance on Gnutella.Now it turned out to be more then that they where gathering evidence in an attempt to get me off line.They later contacted my ISP which resulted in that my ISP started spying on my connection.And when they found out that about 6000MB of data left my computer every day they decided to send me a notification about it and told me that it is in violation of their Terms of Use to use your connection for server purposes and that if I did not stop with my activitys they would be forced to shut me down.So I was forced to significantly cut down on the number of files I was sharing and create a system with lots of new folders(Shared Directorys) with maximum 100 files in each so that the amount of data that left my computer would not cause attention.And then shift between one folder at the time(I changed the Shared Directory/folder about once a week) so that all of my 6000 files still becomes available on the network just not all of them at once.

I have now moved to a different location and no longer uses that ISP instead I am on a ordinary Modem connection temporarily and I expect to get broadband again early next year.I will definetly change ISP and not use the same as before.

This problem would not have occured if WM did not notify my ISP of my activitys.So it seems that RIAA and Media Enforcer and the big five labels etc are turning the screws harder against big sharers that provides 90% of the content on Gnutella and other filesharing networks.This is potentionally becoming a major problem on Gnutella that can have a big effect because if many big sharers stop sharing and some of them starts to share less then the network will loose lots of its good contents and that will lead to loss of users because they no longer find the stuff they are looking for and then it becomes an evil spiral and Gnutella will die.

It is definetly time that all of you Gnutella developers out there starts working on the anonymity issue on Gnutella.Especially different measures to prevent anyone from finding out someones true IP number is important.

I hope that the future of Gnutella is a bright one!Cause I sure love it!
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Hello Joakim,
Nice to see you around here again, good to know that you are still with Gnutella

Maybe you are wondering why no one takes your posts serious (either in the GDF or here). I will tell you why:

You are setting the aims for Gnutella too high.
Most developers (not Mike Stokes) are humans so they can't code everything you have in mind.

If you learn a bit more about coding (I'm sure you don't know how to code) then you will probably understand the problems...

Have fun.
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A similiar goal can also be achieved by creating a list of all these organizations and their IP subnets and making sure that Gnutella clients update this list every time they are run and block access from these IPs.

Yes, it's not very secure, but it's simple to implement, or people may configure their firewalls to block these IPs.
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I posted a detailed suggestion on how to do this, it's in the Limewire / Feature Requests forum. Basically, I suggested several things starting with spoofed UDP transmission of uploads.
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Quote:
Originally posted by Paradog
Hello Joakim,
Nice to see you around here again, good to know that you are still with Gnutella

Maybe you are wondering why no one takes your posts serious (either in the GDF or here). I will tell you why:

You are setting the aims for Gnutella too high.
Most developers (not Mike Stokes) are humans so they can't code everything you have in mind.

If you learn a bit more about coding (I'm sure you don't know how to code) then you will probably understand the problems...

Have fun.
Hello!

Sorry for abbandoning this discussion and never replied.That is simply because I forgott that I ever made this post.Strange!.But now I am back.And I have finally gotten a new broadband connection and this time it is faster then I ever had before I've got a 8Mbit/s VDSL connection and its truly amazing how good Gnutella works when you have such bandwidth compared to modem speed.

Quote:
Maybe you are wondering why no one takes your posts serious (either in the GDF or here). I will tell you why:


You cannot mean all my posts as in plural you must mean post as in singular.Because most of my post are quite informative and helpful.You must mean this post and a post I made in the GDF a long time ago regarding a Gnutella2 suggestion(a ridicilus post).

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You are setting the aims for Gnutella too high.
Most developers (not Mike Stokes) are humans so they can't code everything you have in mind.


I do not agree I think that you cannot set the aims hig enough when it comes to Gnutella and it will continue to develop just as the web and the browsers did.The Gnutella clients and the protocol itself are in their infancy state just as the web was back in the year 1996-1997.And I think that most developers out there do take this problem whit anonymity very seriously because if people stop sharing their wonderfull baby/their creation all the work they have made on Gnutella would have been for nothing.I am sure that the issue could be solved somehow in the future it is just a question about when the situation will be urgent enough and when some genious will come up whit a brilliant idea for how it should be accomplished.

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If you learn a bit more about coding (I'm sure you don't know how to code) then you will probably understand the problems...


No I do not know how to code a Gnutella client but I know alot about Gnutella and their clients and I am a heavy user that have picked up alot of currents that indicates that more and more people are becoming increasingly worried about sharing on Gnutella and in other protocols and this can become a major problem if it gets out of control and alot of big sharer stop sharing anything.

Just hope that the RIAA and their affilliates dont win this battle and succeed in destroying even Gnutella.
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It may be a difficult thing to code for but unless Gnutella changes so that the sharers ip address is not know to the receiver then Gunutella will slowly die out. I too like Joakim have had to stop sharing and will only be able to start again when my anonymity is guaranteed. I am sure we are not the only two that have had to stop sharing and the RIAA will be picking us off, at a thousand at a time now that Verizon have been forced to hand over the names of the sharers. The ISPs will only be too pleased to get rid of us, as want users but no traffic. Just blocking known RIAA ip addresses will not work as they can use any ISP and we cannot block the whole of AOL for instance. It may be tricky and will cut down the bandwidth but without it Gunutella is dead.
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This is absolute priority. Wake up everybody that thinks it isn't!
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I think it's not a priority nor do I think it's feasible.
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And you still say it is not a priority. I don't agree with what they are doing but I am not going to risk £90,000 arguing with them.
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Default i agree - it IS a priority

it's what the customers/consumers are going to demand - bet your money on it. i would and will conintue my limewire subscription but if something else comes out that gives me an anonymous connection for p2p i will move to that product even if i have to pay more. my reasons are NOT for what you are probably thinking but rather for the same reasons i don't need anyone snooping around in what library materials i checked out or what music i listen to in the car/elsewhere. i don't have a proble with the data if it's presented in AGGREGATE.
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