I'll be upfront with... It's ALL a Crock of BullSh!t.
We've used LW for about 3 Years now and have NEVER "Mistakenly" OOPS!!!! Downloaded CP. If you have, then You're an _ _ _ _ _
What a Load of CraP.
Ya'll are a bunch of Freaks that could'nt resist the temptation, and now we're supposed to feel Sorry for You. HA HA HA!!!!!!!
If Johnny Law a comes a knockin', then thats something You will have to Deal with.
You made your Perverted Bed and Now You have to Lay in it.
If this is the Kind of Bullsh!t you seek, then You get what you Deserve.

This Thread is Getting Very old with the same ol' SOb Stories. Get Over It Already!!!!!! Freaks:mad:

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@Orangeboy

if you take the time to read this overly long thread in full you will see that I do advise overwriting files when needed...this will make them go away as best as can be done....BUT...they are still there if one wants to spend the time and money (and its really not all that much when taken in the big picture) to get at them...its not star trek technology (which is of course at this time fiction), its real technology out there right now...let's say you were a political figure and someone was out to get you...they knew you did such things and were out to prove it...they could if they got a hold the your HDD...are you getting my drift, or do I need to pull out a sledgehammer and beat it into your skull?

@Remoc....it is possible to mistakenly download such stuff...misnamed files, files with names such as DSCN_1023..yep, I've come across a few with names like that when I'm blindly downloading images just for giggles to see what's out there...I have to say you would be surprised at some of the images people have in their shares (probably because they allowed LW to search their drive for media files to share)...the heart of your response is correct, but I just want to make it clear that it is possible to end up with a nasty file by total mistake...

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I'm afraid its possible Remok. I downloaded what I thought was a cartoon and got one. You might say I should have used "Preview" but that wouldn't help. Why? Because now the preview and incomplete file are in there. Either you stop downloading images and videos or you are at some risk.

I came here to get help and was accosted by paragons of virtue like you. After listening to your rants I got my toothbrush figuering Johnny Law was turning onto my street about then. While waiting I did more research and found that even if I left it unerased the cops will need more information about who I am.

Here's a short list of situations I remember pedos being caught:

Being seen downloading onto a CD at a public library.
Bragging to other idiots at a bar.
Lured by adults into thinking they had a teen ready for sex and showed up.
Buying CP off a web site using a credit card.
Public nudity, kidnapping and inappropriate physical or verbal contact with a child.
Unrelated crimes that caused the law to invade a home with a sparked interest in the computer.

Its obvious you've got to get the authorities attention before coming under scrutiny and all you're doing is scaring law abiding decent young guys unnecessarily.

Peerless I don't think Obama has downloaded CP here. The guys you're addressing don't read the whole thread. They come here and you and guys like Remod scare them into a panic. If you repeated your qualifying remarks like you just made I'd have fewer objections.

It is possible that I will be hit by a bus. But I can't let that stop me from going to work. Nor should I let one overwritten file push me into physically destroying my hard drive. I hope thats an appropriate analogy.

I'll be here from now on the same way you are and will try to moderate the shrill bombastic chest beaters like Rebok who inform 14 year old kids their life is effectively ruined now that they've peeked at the forbidden. They are the same type of people who 100 years ago told kids they were going to go blind if they masturbated.

be very very careful when insulting a mod orangeboy...very careful....you might find that another mod (like me) will step right in and put a stop to it before the offended mod gets a chance to deal with it for him/herself

Obama?..more like that nasty republican McCain....definitely Bush/Cheney!

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Please get the tempers down again.

People who come here mostly are already scared, and we give them advice what they can do which can work.

I won't go telling someone "just erase the file, then you're safe", if I know that to be wrong.

I prefer saying
"First: calm down. You're not likely to get into problems.
Second: If you want to delete the file, do it right."

Followed by an explanation, how to do it right, and what risks remain.

And playing with the names of others is a definite act of aggression.

And while I'm at it:
Never EVER open a site in freenet which has a name similar to a certain widespread PnP RPG. That's how easy it is to see really bad files by accident.

Best wishes,
Arne

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And leaving a trail of posts expressing remorse carries no weight in court.

OC's got it right. In the future use Bitzi, so you'll get no more nasties. Now go outside and see that the cops are not coming, breathe; stay there while you consider spending more time outside. Do that often.

Not too long ago a friend of mine accidentally got some filth on his harddrive. It was a deliberately mislabeled file, changed to the name of a popular kids movie at the time. Thankfully he had the common sense to preview the file before watching it with his daughter.

So he should have checked the file with Bitzi before downloading, but apart from that, he had no way of knowing it wasn't a legit rip. Name looked like a scene release, file size was the normal 700ish MB, avi extension, the works.

Just always use Bitzi to check the file before downloading. Can save you heaps of trouble.

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I recommend using either an old Limewire version without BitTorrent support or Phex for Gnutella, Azureus is BitTorrent. None of this Limewire Gnutellatorrent hybrid crap.

Not sure what all the heat is really all about here, but...

Two simple points for now.

It is NOT emphasized strongly enough - and the very title of this thread is fundamentally in error - that it is NOT Limewire or any other Gnutella Network client providing 'offensive' material.
Limewire is just one of many 'clients'.
The material is made available by individuals who happen to be using one tool/client or another. So, cease any specific references to Limewire or any other one client. Those who have posted with the conviction that there is some degree of responsibility due to any Gnutella Network client are only expressing their ignorance of the system and p2p networks in general.

And...

In the great majority of cases file recovery can be achieved very easily and at no cost...

Recuva - Undelete, Unerase, File Recovery - Home

Try it.
Be amazed... After so-called overwrites, defrags and 'cleanings' you will still be able to recover enormous amounts of data - either perfect clean files or partials that can be 'repaired' and certainly file names and locations.
Even the Piriform 'Secure Delete' function doesn't really wipe anything !!!

Thanks for that ususla. I visited the site and it claims to recover normally deleted items via the recycle bin. I.e. files that have been dumped from the recycle bin but not otherwise overwritten. These fellows here are claiming a video file can be recovered well enough to determine if its child pornography after being overwritten several time. The overwrite might be in the normal course of using the computer or deliberately by a program which targets that file.

I asked this fellow if his program could pull up a single letter file after it had been overwritten several times and was given a cocky answer. No pun intended there.

Most people interested enough to find out know that a file is never deleted via the recycle bn. The space is simply made available to be written over. However a "cleaning" program can target that specific file for you and overwrite it immediately with random code and do it multiple times if you desire. Its been claimed here that even when overwritten a video file, with its massive amount of data, could be restored enough to view it well enough to be used in a court of law as proof of ownership of child porn.

Like recycled steel made into a car its impossible to tell it used to be a tin can. In my humble opinion anyway.

I have recovered deleted files myself, not cp but that's beside the point. E.g a whole movie - 27-29 minutes into it. This was not deleted through the recycle bin. Probably the main reason that I was unable to recover the last two minutes, was that I didn't have a lot of free space left and Limewire was downloading for several hours before noticing the the file was gone.

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Strewth !

So what ?
NOT true.
It's all just false marketing of ineffectual products.
(See numerous references, above.)

Correct.
It IS the reality.

Incorrect.
If desired, by whatever 'powers-that-be', the probability is extremely great that the metals (alloys) and plastics can be defined to the actual producing factory and batch code(s).



A moment of recent personal history...

3 weeks ago I was doing some 'cleaning lady' stuff on some of my older external HDDs... One of them was an old Seagate IDE '160GB' drive...

Said drive has been 'cleaned' with WindowWasher 5 and 6 more times than I could count... well, at least 3 times per day, every day, while it was 'active'. Also zapped with C r a pCleaner - the old name for Piriform's CCleaner of today....It had been Diskeeper defragmented 100s of times, including changing the MFT size at least 10 times...
While I had it up, I thought, "Hey, let's see what the latest version of Piriform's Recuva 'finds'..."

Magic ! I recovered, clean and complete, a 1.32GB .avi file that some fool (no names can be divulged for legal reasons - but it was ursula !!!) had deleted in error. Me happy to have it back as it was a rare one... And mega-Tas to Piriform !
Not only was the .avi fie recovered, but it was recovered from a disc that had had all of the above mentioned 'cleaning' and 'sorting' AND had been severely abused by filling it to total capacity, many times... (DOH !)

This is real.


Forget any ideas about Recycle Bin being the 'culprit' and accept the reality that no matter what you do, no matter what marketing cons you fall for, the stuff is still there and EASILY recoverable.

Now, about some of the comments that have been made regarding the intentions behind some of the 'warning' posts here about the impossibility of actually deleting data...

I cannot speak for the others, except perhaps for Peerless, but my intentions (and I am certain the motives are the same for Peerless) have NOT been to frighten people... ONLY to educate them regarding the hard-a$$ real-world reality of 'deleting'.
And, to attempt to help people avoid wasting money and considerable amounts of time attempting the impossible, i.e. 'secure deletions'.

Last, AGAIN, I must repeat that Limewire or Phex or BearShare or Frostwire or Shareaza or Gnucleus or any of the Torrent apps have absolutely nothing to do with the content distributed by the users of said 'clients'.

If it wouldn't cause what I am sure would be a sh¡tstorm with the admin here, I would edit the title of this thread right now. Don't misunderstand... I am practically the president pro tempore of the anti-Limewire brigade, so I am not 'protecting' anyone.

The problem with 'child porn' is not anything to do with p2p networks...
The problem is simple...

!. There is a client base that buys the stuff.

2. (And secondary to 1.) There are the producers of such stuff supplying the existing market. The existing market is not new. It is ancient.
(Ain't no market without buyers, eh ? Late night mass, anyone ?)


Of course, 10 year old brides (practically bred for the sole purpose of financial gain as 'wives') in the so-called biggest 'democracy' in the world does not constitute child porn, right ?
So India is ok, hmmm ?

Hypocrisy abounds.

Even in the environs of good old SNA !

as a note...I freely admit to wanting to instill a bit of fear....hopefully it will make the person be a bit more careful in the future...

in the big picture Urs has understood my motivations correctly...and she definitely has a grip on the reality of the world, both present and past....not many people have taken the time to have paid attention to the real history of mankind...

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Only one thing to add:
When I tell a program to write to a specific sector on a disk, I cannot know anymore that the disk will really write there.

I can only know that it will write the data somewhere.

We tried that in an informatics class: Write data to the outer rim and to the inner rim of the disk. The outer rim should have different access values than the inner rim, for physical reasons (the disk spins).

Our results didn't show that effect. Rather they showed us that modern hard disks optimize the data layout internally, so even when some tool completely erases any trace which could be found by software, you can't know if there aren't parts which remain in a sector the disk began to see as unfit.

Another example: If my disk gets a "dead bit", I won
t see