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| Yes |    | 9 | 6.77% |
| No |    | 122 | 91.73% |
| Spyware, what??? |    | 2 | 1.50% |
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December 5th, 2001
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I know how much spytools exists... Do you really want to compare cookies and spytools??? Cookies don´t download exe code, they don´t connect to the internet without permission... Do you will tell us now if somebody kills a man its ok for me that I kill one too? John it seems you know that spytools aren´t "good" that is the reason why you don´t install them but many newbies don´t know what is going on... they believe internet is funny and all people are lovely... but the truth is internet is a risk today, so we have to inform newbies about the risks... and than every user can decide what they want... but without this knowledge they are helpless... So tell me John where is your problem? If you don´t care about these tools don´t read our posts, don´t comment them... If spytools are such a good thing why "you" don´t install them? Morgwen  |
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December 5th, 2001
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| Why I don't install spyware? Simple, they aren't out for linux, they eat up bandwidth by downloading ads and they usually try to display the ads they downloaded to me. However, I don't believe Gator (&c) is truly harmful. |
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December 5th, 2001
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| Re: Why I don't install spyware? Quote:
simply the best way, its no problem for you, but you suggest all "windows" user to install this crap... Gator and other spytools are a really security risks... but only for windows users... John if you believe they are harmful, I know thousands of people who said they "might" be really dangerous... and many of this people aren´t idiots, some of them are really good programmers... So if you don´t have a problem with this tools use them or not but lets us do our support! Morgwen |
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December 5th, 2001
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 More spyware BTW, ad aware has also detected spyware on Radiate Advertising, a program that comes with Go!Zilla. Since Gator is also promoted by Go!Zilla, i'm not quite surprised. I agree, leaving all your personal info and passwords in an encripted file is a dangerous thing to do. Anyone could enter your computer, take that file, and do a mess in your computer, email account or whatever. I uninstalled Radiate Advertising and I couldn't get Go!Zilla to work any more. But the truth is I never liked the last version. Ivan "In the dark we make a brighter light" |
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December 5th, 2001
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| If I don't belive in a problem, there is no problem? No, there is a big difference between cookies which will be send back to one webpage and a hidden systematic data mining together with collected confidental private data and user profiles given to third parties. Last is what national secret agencies do = spying. John is like a young cat. My teacher told me a story from her little cat when I was in school, her cat tried once to hide from my teacher by looking away. The cat thought, when I can not see someone they can't see me. |
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December 5th, 2001
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| I don't even care whether THEY see me or not. It's not like I tried to hide. Quote:
Yes, - they *might* be. And Windows XP *might* contain a backdoor for the NSA. That is the difference between possibility and fact. Any possible danger you see in Gator (&c) also applies to any other internet related software. Gator is not the devil and it is as much of a security risk as any other internet related applications (including ICQ or Morpheus for example). |
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December 5th, 2001
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| Offtopic John, I wonder if you ever met Kultus, Sephiroth, anti-bearshare? I think about casting all of you for the second part of the story. *g* Last edited by Moak : December 5th, 2001 at 09:16 PM. |
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December 5th, 2001
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| I don't like the fact that I know spyware is running on my PC, but it's the price to pay for free programs, I guess. |
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December 6th, 2001
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December 6th, 2001
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You say your opinion and Moak says his... Morgwen P.S.: But sometimes I think the same like Moak... Last edited by Morgwen : December 6th, 2001 at 02:12 AM. |
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December 6th, 2001
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Linux is free... without spyware... and many others sharing progs... Morgwen |
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December 6th, 2001
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| Well linux is without *spyware* (or adware) for now (if you don't count opera), but I don't think that will last forever. |
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December 6th, 2001
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It will! Because Linux its developed by hundreds of developers all over the world in their free time... if there will be a "spyware" linux version, I have to smile... I will switch to another distrubution or I will ask a friend to compile it! You know Linux is open source its allowed to compile it, as it allowed for Limewire... and we say the people there is spyware into, don´t use the offical version - use compiled versions... So John now tell me why should I use "spytools" infested open source products? Let me repeat we inform the people... and they choose the way... The Limewire version of Linux is free, and the Windows version don´t work without (only a compiled version!  )...So tell me John why should the Windows user pay your software, and why don´t you pay for it? Morgwen |
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December 6th, 2001
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I can't look at the source code of any linux app (borlands kylix for example) nor is there always a open-source version available. - Basically it would be possible to create commercial versions of Linux, sth like a Microsoft Linux (Windows XP is based on a BSD kernel which is more or less a linux-cousin). As long linux has got a small market-share, companies sometimes give linux versions of their software away for free, but if that ever changed (for example if linux had a market-share of 10% of the desktops), they would consider making money with linux products and they would also write adware/spyware for linux. |
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December 6th, 2001
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| Linux + GNU + Open Source Good that we have GNU and many different open source movements together with a high count of alternative free software! Free of spyware and marketing promises. Btw I thought XP is based on Win NT/2000 kernel and only winsock(2) is "borrowed" from BSD networking code? |
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