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Old January 25th, 2003
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Unhappy GUESS in 2003 or 2004?

Wow,
Is it just me or is it taking for ever to wait for the much hyped GUESS? I hope its worth the wait. With all due respect to the developers, advancing the gnutella network at such a slow rate is not going to sufficiently win people over. Fasttrack has been out for over a yr and gnutella still pales in comparison. I agree with the Mike at Shareaza for doing something bold. I m sure GUESS will improve search results but what is still missing is the scalability to search the whole network. Maybe that is the next step and is in the works. Nobody wants to wait yrs just to get a network that performs as well as those several yrs past. I dont mean to come off as abrasive but this is how I feel.

However, I do appreciate the effort by the LW developers and others.
Any projected release dates on 3.0?
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Old January 25th, 2003
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3.0 will probably be released next month. There are still a couple of projects that are not complete, like using 19 instead of 6 inner ultrapeer connections (while reducing ttl from 6 to 4), using qrp for ultrapeer connections, improved firewall detection, vendor messages. - I'm not sure about magnet links will be ready in the next version... but I hope so. The GUESS implementation is already working in the development version (well it has been working more or less for about two months now).
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Old February 10th, 2003
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Hm, wouldn't it be good then to release a final paper for the developers so that everyone can start working?
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Old February 10th, 2003
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Latest news is, that UDP will not be used for searches despite LimeWires prior announcements and their efforts to implement GUESS. The latest development ultrapeers have 42 intra-ultrapeer connections, TTL is reduced to 4 and query-requests will be sent to one of the ultrapeer connections at a time so LimeWire will be able to stop the query once it has a certain number of results. GUESS won't allow such an extensive use of QRP as this scheme does and searching 50,000 ultrapeers with GUESS would be a pain while it isn't a problem for a TCP searches.
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Old February 10th, 2003
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Thats a joke i think? All the hope i layed into GUESS just vanished away
How will youimplement global searching without UDP!?

Tell me that this was a joke, please!
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Old February 10th, 2003
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That is not a joke. UDP for searches is more trouble then it seems. The improved TCP searching will allow LimeWire to search about 50,000 ultrapeers according to Greg Bildson (the gnutella network currently has no more than about 20,000 ultrapeers). In addition it will allow the servent to make use of QRP between ultrapeers and flow-control if necessary,

GUESS as it was had the problem that it was relying on the pongs it was receiving via TCP and together with querykeys there was not much bandwidth improvement over TCP searches. I believe for global urn searches CHORD or KADEMLIA (or even an improved version of current download meshes) could work much better than GUESS and I don't believe we need global keyword searches.

I admit I was a little disappointed GUESS would not be implemented, but when I think about it now, selective querying will work much better.
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Old February 10th, 2003
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heh...so GUESS isn't even coming out?
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Guess might be only for requieries at first, we'll how selective searches work in the wild first.
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Default LW better live up to expectations

OK.
The wait is really long. I hope for LWs sake they bring to the table some type of network improvement that finally brings gnutella up to the performance of fasttrack. I ve been a patient LW fan for yrs but I cant wait my whole life to have a decent functioning network. I may have to abandon ship if things dont significantly improve quickly. Gnutella needs to be a leader and not a follower in p2p technology.
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I agree completely. I've not been using LimeWire that much lately because Gnutella is in such a pitiful state.
 

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