How do you report someone?
And whom do you report them to?

I am getting tired of downloading a movie file that has no keywords indicating its illegal porn only to preview it and to find that’s its child porn!!

I don’t want to here any crap about "Someone’s Freedoms"
No one has a right to obtain child porn.

Any one who defends the right to obtain child porn,
Well, then you must have a lot of it.

I can’t wait to see what kind of response I get to this post.

Here's mine: Blah blah blah. FOAD.

im getting tired of sead problem too.....AND all the other garbage out there....128kmp3s, virruses, sponsored results, hit genorators, ads, videos that are so compressed that your eyes bleed if you try to watch them for more than 30seconds,animal porn, corrupted files that dont work etc. and the thing that ****** me off the most is lossless music files made from lossy files like 128kmp3s.


PS , what dose he meen by "blah blah blah FOAD" ?? dose it meen that he just dosent care about this subject , or that he approves of CP???

no i dont belive iv ever herd the term "FOAD"......

" NO ONE" SHOULD HAVE THEIR "RIGHT TO DOWNLOAD CHILD PORN" TAKEN AWAY FROM THEM. WE JUST NEED TO FIND OUT WHO THE DOWNLOADERS AND CREATORS ARE, AND HAVE THEM RAPED BY BEARS AND SHOT!!!!!!!!!SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SH OT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT.SHOT. THEN, BLOWN UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!BLOWN UP. BLOWN UP. BLOWN UP.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Okay, Peerless, don't bite my head off or anything, just a friendly, hypothetical discussion here, but are you saying that people who watch (and I am by NO means defending the actions of people who do) are pedophiles? Or just the warts on the butt of society that need to be surgically removed? I would hate to seem to be on their side, but unfortunately, their rights are protected by the First Amendment in the US at least, and if we were to deny them that right, then the movies, cd's, etc. that you enjoy could be deemed unacceptable and your right to view such material would be restricted. Who would determine the criteria and govern such decisions? It's a fine line we all walk and I agree with you totally, people who watch and enjoy kiddie porn are not working on all cylinders, hangin's too good for 'em, burnin's too good for 'em, they should be torn into itty bitty pieces and buried alive as far as I'm concerned, but legally, they do have that right, as abhorrant and disgusting the thought may be.

So, let me have it and be gentle with me, okay? LOL!

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Dear Wild Peach & Peerless

This hypothetical discussion you are having about first amendments rights is interesting for US citizens but we in the UK have no such rights, KP is illegal and that is that. Anyone caught with it, in physical form (pictures) or electronic (on computer) will be prosecuted, no "ifs" or "buts".

However, I think you guys miss a very important point, KP is not like ordinary porn, that is produced by an amateur or professional industry, KP is made within families or, to put it another way, KP is the filming of child abuse within dysfunctional families.

How you go about stopping child abuse is another subject but if you could you would effectively kill off KP.

So, I do not believe KP is about the rights of the individual it should be about the rights of a child to be a child.



UK Bob

Peerless

I take it that NAMBLA is purely a US pressure group because I do not believe it exist in the UK.

I do agree with you that KP should not exist and that it is way outside of what any reasonable person would include as "rights".

But KP exist because abuse within the family exist and, to broaden the subject, child abuse also exist within the "care" system, i.e. churches, orphanages, foster homes and anywhere else a few “so called” adults hold enormous power over children.

That is where KP comes from and that is where it should be stopped.



UK Bob

Peerless:

I love the compassion that you show for the children of this world, it shows that you truly have a good and genuine heart, however, most abusers have been abused at some point in their lives and I don't know, maybe their behavior can be reversed, but what they need is help. Like I said, I agree with you, they're sub-humans, at this particular point in their lives, but you've got to believe in the power of redemption. I personally don't think that kind of material should be available here, but the ultimate remedy for that is not to view it at all. If we all feel that way, then the material would theoretically disappear, because without demand, there's no need for supply. But it's apparent that SOMEONE'S watching it and until we rid the forum and the world for that matter, this will never stop. Pedophiles have been on the Earth since time eternal, maybe we shoulld let a higher power take care of justice.

One Love,

Wild Peach

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Dear Wild Peach

I agree with your sentiment but, I'm afraid, that is all it is, you said:
This is an important point because KP is the filming of child abuse, which has been around forever. As long as there is child abuse there will always be someone to film it. But if we can stop child abuse, child solders, child prostitution, etc. KP will then stop.

Not knowing about the horrible things in the world will not make them stop, which is what you are suggesting, tackling the root problem is the only solution.



UK Bob

I must say I admire you all and your stand on the subject. But Peerless what about the 18 year old kid that does somthing consentiual with a 17 year old kid. The 17 year old kids parents finds out and sends the child to a psychologist. The 17 year old then tells the psychologist what happend. Now in the U.S. the psychologist is bound by law to report it to the authorties wearas the 18 year old is an adult and the 17 year old is a child. So if we used your solution the 18 year old would be sent away forever. Now don't get me wrong. I think that KP and child abuse is well, there really aren't any words to discribe how bad I think it is. Any way I do not look down on StudMuffin for wanting to report it and actually admire them in a way for it. Because if we all had the balls to report such things we would probally have a better chance of ending KP,Child Abuse, etc.

Later Grandpa

What you say is true but the way the law is it is the same thing. And I completley agre with your solution except for who determins what is what, where and how do you draw that line. Believe me I myself raised 2 daughters and as my name applies I have several grandchildren 5 at this time and hopefully more to come. And I do not look forward to the posibilty of any of this crap happening to them but due to the current laws allot of these offinders are set free. But on the otherhand I would hate to see a person in the scenario described before spend the rest of there life put away somewhere. Due to my liberal views myself and people like me are proball partially if not holey to blamb for the currret legal system which lets these people out.

Later Grandpa

I think that we all are in agreement that KP is a sick, twisted practice, that it has no place in society, and all the other very valid points brought up here, however, the only thing we can do right here, right now, is to make sure we keep it out of our happy little haven we've found here. No one can do everything, but everyone can do something and if we take the small step of trying to remove it from the network (now, how we'll do that I have no idea!), maybe we can make this corner of the world a better place.

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i love this dam country but screwed up people that do stuff like this **** the crap out of me. All you hippy dippy folks out there who are gonna sit there and defend crap like this need to be thoroughly beaten with a 2x4. that is all. oh yeah, that's f***ing gross.

in response to the 17 and 18 year old question, i'm 19 and my ex-girlfriend was 17. we did some naughty stuff but that doesn't mean i should be locked up. she was "a consenting partner"

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Don't know how it is in the US or Uk, but in Aus we have a fairly straight forward law that deals with the 17 yo 18 yo problem.

If the child is sixteen or seventeen the age difference is allowed to be a maximum of four years, under sixteen it is two. The age of legal consent is still 16 but if a 17 yo and a 15 yo get at it, the 17 yo can't be charged with statutory ****, but an 18 yo can.

I think I just made a straight forward law bloody confusing!