Yes an interesting point. Lets leave everyone do what ever they want and nobody stick there nose in. That way we'll all be happy right. Why do theose nasty policemen monitor road speed, and store detectivers try to stiop the hard working thief. I mean those pescy virus scanners are such a pain for the hardworking code writers. I think this concpet has a political basis. Thats right it "ITS's CALLED ANARCHY!"

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AT LEAST SOMEONE IS INTERESTED ENOUGH TO TRY TO DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!

We at the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children received the information that you reported to IC3.gov. Thank you for making a report. All of the information you provided is currently accessible by those federal law enforcement agencies handling child sexual exploitation.



I have some additional questions regarding the incident:



1) What is the nickname or username of the suspect sharing the file?

2) What is the exact date and time of the incident? What is your computer time zone?

3) What is the IP address of the suspect sharing the illegal material?

4) Was the file downloaded and viewed? If yes, please describe.



If you downloaded any of the material in question, you may now be in possession of illegal child pornography. Even if you have deleted the file, it may still be present on your computer. In addition, other users on the P2P network may be able to upload the file from you. We generally suggest that you contact law enforcement in your area and request assistance in removing the file from your computer.



Please let me know about the above when you have a chance.



Thank you for your help,

Kimberly

NCMEC

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Nice work! I presume you provided the ip address & date.

BTW There's a no. of free utilities around that can permanently delete files from your hard disk drive. Here's one & a list of more at the bottom of the page: http://www.pcworld.com/downloads/fil...d,22393,00.asp

And here's some more: http://www.download.com/3120-20_4-0....&search=+Go%21

Oh yes. and I've used a Department of Defence 5220.25M Secure Deletion tool so It should be pretty well scattered to the 4 winds!!!!!

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Here's another link to many national sites used to report child abuse.

Click on your country to find the links to the appropriate authority.

http://www.virtualglobaltaskforce.co...contactus.html

Hey everyone;

Thanks for the links to reporting this behaviour. I can't believe that in this day and age this sort behaviour is actually occuring in the world.

I use LW and I have some questions:

I like to know how to block all this material from the searches. I mean I have the block adult content on; it still gets through. I type in key words....and still it gets through. It's annoying, frustrating, and it saddens me that somewhere there is a child in need of help.

Why can't LW just have music only instead of vid's and pics.

Add those suggested here to your keyword filter: Direct instructions to eliminate porn from results. This is a start & you may even think of others. Also see Movie download issues & learn to use bitzi look up when searching for videos. ie: How to use Bitzi Web Lookup

Ok, thanks for the info...I didn't know about that sort of stuff as I am new to the P2P "thingy".

This message is in response to Ms. Kimberly of the NCMEC, who posted (or was quoted) above.

I am relieved and gladdened to see somebody on the "inside" add to this discussion. As to your "additional questions," I am a bit puzzled by number four. I would like to know how somebody reporting this stuff could download and view it and avoid any type of culpability themselves. I don't think I need to tell you that many times these files are downloaded accidentally by people that have no desire or intention whatsoever to view this type of material. Forcing them to watch and "describe" it rings of entrapment to me.

Also, I would be curious to find out more information about the prosecution and tracking of child pornography files via P2P. A cursory glance of the posts in this and other threads will reveal many people that have accidentally downloaded a file of this nature and are now in fear of their freedom and lives. I have a friend that works for my state's district court, and his response to this issue is that significant cause must be shown to the court by the authorities to investigate anyone on these types of charges, and somebody that has accidentally downloaded this material--and has subsequently deleted it and beyond--has nothing to worry about should the authorities confiscate their machine (a foregone conclusion). There are several steps in which people investigate the facts, and they must determine that there is enough evidence to proceed in order for them to do so.

What are your (or anyone's) thoughts?

yes ..i do so called what they call search the browser and ..wow how this this stuff can happen its be yond me but then a gain how can 1000"s of ppl come across the border that shouldn'nt be there AND CARRYING ALOT OF THE MEMORY CARDS THAT COME FROM CAMERAS..AND THE drugs but thats a different thread...STAND UP AND BE COUNTED

If you were in the security forces, then you would know how to track an Ip Address, the first thing I learned in the Armed Forces is how to do that,

You would also know that all connections in the UK go through 2 computers, which is constantly monitered for security reasons (won't tell you where, you should know)
You should also be aware that you can browse the person your getting your film from you can get their Ip address, then you can track them back, to where they are.
One other thing, You should also know that your ISP can retrace every move you made on the Internet, every site, IP address, exct

Now If you were in the security forces you should know this

By the way 5220.25M, is a pile of rubbish, all it does really is gets rid of the stuff out of the recycle bin, and deletes the top of the file (It is not meant to secure the hard drive)
And as you should also know No file that has been deleted can not be recovered, even using Military software, we were told to open the hard drives, take out the disks, and burn them, or destroy them anyway possible

Sgt

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hello there.i'm new to LW and have just come across whats obviously child porn.I actually done a search within the forum for 'porn' to see what if anything is being said/done about it.It has reassured me,if only slightly,that angelfish got a reply from those people.Whoever is doing this obviously relishes it and if you're reading this you sicko WHEN you go to prison, take my word for it,you'll be experiencing a great deal of physical pain.

Can I just say, Ive meat some of these people, and they are NOT sick, they are simply evil... no I'm not a God botherer, but when you have had honset conversation as I have (don't ask) with people like this, it becomes obvious that they weren't in the original plan.

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OK...I''ve read all 30 odd posts about the "pedo" search on LW/FW, etc...all I can say is take it easy.

Pedophilia is difficult to understand, and abhorrent to most people in the world (jokes about Greek families nonwithstanding). But, as with all true "addictions", this is a case where the brain, etc., has taken over from concious choice. These people are truly not in control of their conciousness. And rather than vilifying them (because villification will only make them harder to find), we should be (a) neutralizing their efforts, by vigilantly pursuing those who try to promulgate their stuff on P2P networks, and (b) isolating them in controlled environments so we can begin to understand just what could make some people want to do this.

Also, this whole subject of underage sex is a very slippery topic (no pun intended). Sure, it's easy to single out the perv next door who's taking digital snaps of your 5-year-old daughter's privates in the bathroom, but what about the art photographer taking sensitive nudes? What about the traditional naked baby on the rug shots? And what about teenage sex? If I have a 17-year-old son having sex with his 15-year-old girlfriend, does/should that sex become illegal when he turns 18? (I don't think so, but I'm f*c*ing POSITIVE that some jerk is gonna reply to me, quoting god and megadeath that such acts are REPREHENSIBLE to the REAL god.) And what about the age of consent? In IL it's 18; in other states it's 16; in the Netherlands it's 14. Who's right?

I urge you to keep up the good fight to keep kid porn off P2P networks. And I also urge you to have compassion for the people who are controlled by their desires for such stuff. And don't give me that free-will BS...people who desire this stuff DON'T have a free will anymore. I'll take that to the bank.

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Kudos to Mike for the above post. Not only was it well said, but well thought out to boot.

I agree that pedophiles do not have a "choice" in the matter. What is true in most cases is that these people have been sexually abused as children. The massive phsychological damage that results from these experiences very often evolves into a taste for pornography involving children, which in its own twisted way perpetuates the results of the abuse. Those pedophiles that act on their impulses and abuse children then cause those children to become pedophiles, and on and on.

While I'm by no means defending pedophilia or child pornography, I think it's important to keep things like this in mind. Yes, it most definitely is sick, but in a way it's also sad.

In reference to "taking it easy," all I can say is that a large number of people that use LW to download legit porn have, at least once, come across something questionable with regard to age. Some examples I've seen are clearly NOT of age, and some are close enough to legal to give one pause. Regardless, most people the come across the stuff freak out, thinking that in five minutes the FBI will be knocking at their door. The worst part about is that there does not seem to be much good information out there about what should be done when this happens. Another problem is that a lot of porn now is of the homemade (or "amateur") variety, and the age of these people, regardless of what the filename may say, is very likely impossible to verify (for either us or the authorities). What about that stuff? Should a file claiming that it's of somebody 17 years old be taken literally? When does prudence give way to paranoia?