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Vampmon August 28th, 2004 07:42 AM

Morpheus w/NEOnet Beta 4.2 Build 259
 
NEOnet - the first public Beta of an entirely new P2P technology with unprecedented search accuracy and download results exclusively available through Morpheus™

Morpheus 4.2 includes the first public beta of NEOnet, an entirely new generation of P2P using DHT technology. Unlike other P2P Networks, files found on Neo Network download fast and easy even if that file exists on just one other computer. Morpheus also searches all other major file-sharing networks and simultaneously connects with millions of users of Kazaa, iMesh, eDonkey, LimeWire, Gnutella, Grokster, G2 and others to find more digital media.

Morpheus, the only American file-sharing software ruled legal by U.S. federal courts, protects your privacy with access to public proxy networks; has options to prevent others from snooping on you; works with your antivirus software to prevent unwanted malicious files; enables simultaneous searches for all media file types including MP3 audio, video, games, software, pictures and documents; returns fast multi-source downloads; provides bitzi anti-spoofing lookups and contains absolutely no spyware.

Download: www.morpheus.com (FREE)
Download: www.morpheusultra.com ($19.95)

swimkid August 28th, 2004 10:37 AM

why is it that when i downloaded a file with neonet icon next to it. it said that i was downloading from a limewire client in the extended info?

KayaMan August 28th, 2004 10:56 AM

It's because Morpheus meshes sources from both networks, you can right click and see 'extended info' , to see how many hosts are from NEOnet and how many are from gnutella.

swimkid August 28th, 2004 11:03 AM

i right i get it now. Listen u morpheus guys if u read this. u might really have something with this neonet thing. Now if you could just put it in a well thought out GUI with adware and less cpu usage .... u guys could be on top.

swimkid August 28th, 2004 11:06 AM

oh and u should get rid of G2 Fasttrack and Edonkey. You don't need them. NeoNet and Gnutella will kick *** if u get ur act together.

Vampmon August 28th, 2004 11:10 AM

You can go into configuration, and turn off FastTrack and eDonkey, and as you will notice G2 is off by default.

KayaMan August 28th, 2004 11:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swimkid
i right i get it now. Listen u morpheus guys if u read this. u might really have something with this neonet thing. Now if you could just put it in a well thought out GUI with adware and less cpu usage .... u guys could be on top.
As Vampmon noted, g2 is off by default now and that was a tough decision since the Shareaza guys are so great (shareaza being the primary client using the G2 network).
it was mostly based on the resources ( in this case bandwidth) it used. Morpheus users can still turn it on in configuration options.


Regarding a new GUI and FT and eDonkey....... just wait ;)

good things to come!

swimkid August 28th, 2004 11:20 AM

well i'm looking forward to it!


and u guys are right, u can turn those networks off but in my opinion it would just make the client cleaner to remove them.

but maybe that opinion will change if u clean up the GUI




one more thing: I don't know if u've noticed but in the latest beta of limewire there are firewall to firewall transfers supported. You might want to find a way to get that into gnucdna and possibly neonet considering that most of the users will be firewalled, (including me):)

KayaMan August 28th, 2004 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KayaMan
It's because Morpheus meshes sources from both networks, you can right click and see 'extended info' , to see how many hosts are from NEOnet and how many are from gnutella.
Swimkid: i also failed to mention, in the search results extended info where client types are listed... it doesnt show the Morpheus clients found through NEOnet but rather just the clients found using gnutella.

swimkid August 28th, 2004 11:41 AM

ok

how come i never see anything in my uploads section?
anyways, i hope things go well for Morpheus in the future.

Vampmon August 28th, 2004 11:48 AM

Swimkid -- It depends what kind of connection you have, and what you are sharing, like if you share popular things, or things not many have heard off.

swimkid August 28th, 2004 11:59 AM

i have over 1000 shared items most are reasonably popular.

however i have a router so i am firewalled and i can't configure the router. That is why earlier i suggested looking into firewall to firewall transfers so that my connection status doesn't stop me from giving back to the network.

Vampmon August 28th, 2004 12:07 PM

Going here may help: http://start.morpheus.com/m4000/firewall_howto.asp

KayaMan August 28th, 2004 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swimkid
[B
one more thing: I don't know if u've noticed but in the latest beta of limewire there are firewall to firewall transfers supported. You might want to find a way to get that into gnucdna and possibly neonet considering that most of the users will be firewalled, (including me):) [/B]
We have some ideas about this, will reserve for future.

So in this release what does Morpheus do to address this issue? UPnP support was added which allows Morpheus to traverse a router with Universal Plug and Play enabled ( i.e xbox ready router, wXP needed).

Since a majority of users are both wXP and firewalled, it should have a significant effect on increasing the availability of files.

Way it works is as long as you have UPnP enabled on your router (many are off by default unfortunately , even linksys), Morpheus will open the ports it needs and put you in a non-firewalled state and close the ports when exiting Morpheus.
This means you don't have to manually configure port forwarding which can be a difficult task for some. Morpheus uses UPnP to do it for you ;-), similar to other applications like MSN messenger.

will address making it even easier for users to enable UPnP in next release.

swimkid August 28th, 2004 12:20 PM

how do i know if UPnP is enable or if my router can use it?

KayaMan August 28th, 2004 12:55 PM

What model router do you have? ( d-link, linksys, netgear, other?)

UPnP is supported by all the major router vendors, just depends if it's enabled or not by default -- my guess is you do have support. However you'll also need to be using wXP to take advantage of UPnP at this time.

So to check, you'll need to connect to your router's configuration, then likely navigate to the advanced or administration tab depending on your model ( or just check out your routers' documentation).
To connect to your router's configuration web panel, in a browser enter http://192.168.1.1 ( where 192.168.1.1 is your gateway). You'll need to know the default user/password if you havent set it already.

To double check what your gate way is , go here

I can offer more help once i know what model you have , but the above should get you started ;-)

swimkid August 28th, 2004 01:04 PM

I have a linksys router. But it is not connected to computer i am using right now. to configure it do i have to use the main 'server' computer?

And if UpnP is working, does that mean that morpheus won't tell me i'm firewalled on the network icons?





By the way i am on www.zeropaid.com as Jonnyd0986 :)

KayaMan August 29th, 2004 08:15 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by swimkid
I have a linksys router. But it is not connected to computer i am using right now. to configure it do i have to use the main 'server' computer?

And if UpnP is working, does that mean that morpheus won't tell me i'm firewalled on the network icons?

By the way i am on www.zeropaid.com as Jonnyd0986 :)

you don't have to be on the 'main' computer, all computers connected to the router can connect to it's configuration and utilize it's features (unless you set up rules specific to preventing certain traffic).

if UPnP is working, morpheus won't show you as 'firewalled' is correct !!

you can see if it's actually working in the router by going to the applications/port forwarding section and see that morpheus has openned ports for use. In this section depending on the firmware , may even have a UPnP tab to show only the UPnP enabled ports as opposed to all manually or automatically forwarded ports.

good luck!

swimkid August 30th, 2004 05:48 AM

aagh i am so stupid!! turns out what i thought was a router was an ethernet adapter. 3 computers in my house share one internet connection. I've turned of my xp firewall.


does sharing an internet connection have anything to do with it?

KayaMan August 31st, 2004 06:43 PM

if you have SP2 now, you don't need to turn off the firewall, just allow the programs you do want to give access to the internet.

swimkid September 2nd, 2004 11:50 AM

there's no getting around my firewall




anyone know if morpheus supports magnet links?

Vampmon September 19th, 2004 08:52 AM

Morpheus 4.2 Build 265 released :)

backmann September 19th, 2004 04:03 PM

I'd still really like to see a changelog. Maybe next time?? Perhaps, after seeing what has changed, you could make et voila change his mind :D

Ivan
In the dark we make a brighter light

swimkid September 19th, 2004 04:08 PM

i'd like to see change logs also




the latest build keeps crashing and i've tried reinstalling.

Vampmon September 20th, 2004 01:44 AM

I'll see what i can do about changelogs, BUT no changing et voila, he is totally bitter about Morpheus.

One day, even if he would change his mind and start to like it, he would never admit it.

trap_jaw4 September 20th, 2004 04:22 AM

Odds are Morpheus will not exist that much longer, so et voilà would have to change his mind soon. The golden age of file-sharing may be over in a couple of years - it's either that or world revolution.

et voilà September 20th, 2004 04:26 AM

Here is the changelog:
Updated GnucDNA 1.1.0.7 to 1.1.0.8
Updated NEOnet 6.14 to 6.15
Fixed bugs
Introduced bugs
Magnet links support asked at startup

Well that's it I think:p

Ciao

Vampmon September 20th, 2004 11:12 AM

Oh WOW et voilà, you actually have a brain?

Well great try, BUT I’m sorry to say, that isn't fully completed, and you have made some mistakes :( but don't worry, I’ll correct them for you! :) nice attempt though. :cool:

Risky September 21st, 2004 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by et voilà
Here is the changelog:
Updated GnucDNA 1.1.0.7 to 1.1.0.8
Updated NEOnet 6.14 to 6.15
Fixed bugs
Introduced bugs
Magnet links support asked at startup

Well that's it I think:p

Ciao

So here's a more accurate/complete changelog.

GnucDNA was updated to support alternate location removals. Limewire implemented this, and John updated GnucDNA to be compatible.

A few NEOnet changes:
1. Some long overdue RTT optimizations to improve search speed. Searches should be faster.
2. Searches were also changed so results can be displayed as they come in. Previously, no results were displayed until all were available, which caused delays as many searches return several hundred results. As this version becomes more widespread, results should be displayed as they come in.
3. DHT recovery mechanisms were updated to be more efficient. These mechanisms help the NEOnetwork transition smoothly in the event of network issues, and make the network more robust and reliable.

I'm not going to post the GUI updates, as I think Kayaman will post a more comprehensive changelog with the next official release.

(I think tooltips were enabled by default)

Your NEOnet technologist,

Risky

et voilà September 22nd, 2004 04:31 AM

So if I understand correctly, you are coding NEOnet and Kayaman is coding the GUI, right? Is there a Egor or an Anthor (edit: maybe llyenor or something like that) that is one of you? If I remember correctly, they posted for Morpheus one time at the GDF.

Risky September 22nd, 2004 07:19 AM

I do work on NEOnet, but not alone.

I'll leave it to Kayaman to tell you what he does (not what you suggest).

As far as NEOnet goes, more information will be released relatively soon - I encourage people to try it out, and leave (constructive) feedback about their experiences with it. You can identify results from NEOnet as they have a different icon in search.

If you are concerned about Morpheus leeching from Limewire, check out the counts on any NEOnet result in extended info - these counts reflect the number of NEOnet clients found sharing that file (currently only Morpheus). Because NEOnet can quickly find every Morpheus source of a file, those sources are used much more. If you test any GnucDNA client, including Morpheus, I'm sure it will be clear that we do share back to the entire Gnutella network.

Risky

et voilà l'invité September 22nd, 2004 07:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Risky
If you test any GnucDNA client, including Morpheus, I'm sure it will be clear that we do share back to the entire Gnutella network.

Risky

That's what I do, and that's the problem. I don't see how I can't get results from gnucDNA clients. See the Kayaman, get your act together thread for more info.

Thanks for the spare infos, but Streamcast is a WAY too secretive company. I usually can tell who is working on what for other P2Ps but getting infos about streamcast is really difficult. Do you mean NEOnet specs will be available so other P2P can use it? Morpheus should really consider leaving gnutella even if they use the gnucDNA engine to dl, etc...

Vampmon September 22nd, 2004 08:44 AM

Why should Morpheus consider leaving Gnutella? Morpheus has as much right to be on Gnutella as LimeWire, BearShare, Shareaza, Gnucleus, even iMesh! That is getting boring, I’m sure Kaya already answered that in the other thread, but ok … keep going.

KayaMan September 22nd, 2004 12:27 PM

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Originally posted by backmann
I'd still really like to see a changelog. Maybe next time?? Perhaps, after seeing what has changed, you could make et voila change his mind :D

Ivan
In the dark we make a brighter light

So here's an run down of most the higher level changes made in the 4.2 release. There are various changes that aren't mentioned in any detail and where significant dev time goes, but that's the nature of the beast.
Nonetheless it's a start and will do the same for 4.3, even if they aren't many ;-)

KayaMan September 22nd, 2004 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by et voilà l'invité

Thanks for the spare infos, but Streamcast is a WAY too secretive company. I usually can tell who is working on what for other P2Ps but getting infos about streamcast is really difficult. .....[/B]
There's valid reasons for why Morpheus has had to be low-key in this area, just read the EFF.org for possible reasons. But just because you don't know all the inner-workings, doesn't make it bad. Do you know who works on what are for all software - no?

But responding here now when we didn't before... is a step toward what will be the transition to being more open in the community ;-)

et voilà September 22nd, 2004 03:02 PM

Well it is good that you become more open to the public. One thing I can't bitch about you anymore.

Quote:

But just because you don't know all the inner-workings, doesn't make it bad.
No it is its components got from elsewhere + multinetwork policy + no participation at GDF + spywares + official leeching from fasttrack, and unofficial from gnutella and bad behavior on ED2K (mldonkey) that makes it bad :o

One down, many to go...

backmann September 22nd, 2004 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KayaMan
So here's an run down of most the higher level changes made in the 4.2 release. There are various changes that aren't mentioned in any detail and where significant dev time goes, but that's the nature of the beast.
Nonetheless it's a start and will do the same for 4.3, even if they aren't many ;-)

Thanks.

Ivan
In the dark we make a brighter light

swimkid September 23rd, 2004 06:12 PM

vampon/kayaman or some morpheus person.. i have a problem with the latest build.

everything goes ok until i go into settings to try and select a shared folder, it scans about 100 files and then the program just terminates.

et voilà September 23rd, 2004 06:59 PM

I love when I'm right... again. Morpheus does indeed uses (well it's now official) GnucDNA for transfers with the results gotten from NEOnet. The confirmation was made by Risky there: http://forums.shareaza.com/showthrea...threadid=16090

I repeat, using GnucDNA does not mean you have to connect to Gnutella or force users to use it. (as of now, you can disable G2 but not gnutella in Morph, the two networks supported in GnucDNA by default).

Ciao

Vampmon September 24th, 2004 01:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swimkid
vampon/kayaman or some morpheus person.. i have a problem with the latest build.

everything goes ok until i go into settings to try and select a shared folder, it scans about 100 files and then the program just terminates.

Does the program freeze up?
If that is the case, this should be fixed in Morpheus 4.3.
Available some time today :)

swimkid September 24th, 2004 04:19 AM

no it doesn't freeze up it just dissappears!:confused:

Vampmon September 24th, 2004 05:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swimkid
no it doesn't freeze up it just dissappears!:confused:
OK, so it just closes. Try updating to the newest version released today.

- Uninstall Morpheus 4.2
- Delete the Streamcast folder in program files (Moving the "Downloads" and "My Sharing Folder" to the desktop so you don't loose any files)
- Go to: www.morpheus.com and Download Morpheus 4.3 Build 267, and install it.
- Run it and tell me if you still experience these problems.
- Place all the files from your "Downloads" folder on the desktop in the new "Downloads" folder in the "Streamcast" folder


Hope this helps!

swimkid September 24th, 2004 01:09 PM

i still have the same problem

Vampmon September 24th, 2004 02:01 PM

OK, what you could do is, try sharing one folder at a time with about 50 files in it and then once Morpheus is sharing them, try sharing another file with 50 files etc... and see if Morpheus terminates like before.

And you are sure you have Morpheus 4.3 ?

swimkid September 24th, 2004 05:11 PM

yes i had morpheus 4.3.

i have almost 2000 mp3's i don't really want to seperated it into increments of 50.

Vampmon September 25th, 2004 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by swimkid
yes i had morpheus 4.3.

i have almost 2000 mp3's i don't really want to seperated it into increments of 50.

ok, well... i can't see any reason why it would close up because of that, but i'll get back to you if i find an answer :)

swimkid September 25th, 2004 10:30 AM

thanks

swimkid September 26th, 2004 10:58 AM

i get a runtime error and then it say abnormal termination. and it seems to only happen when i try to import a shared folder with more than 100 or so files. it has no problem with 50.

veryy strange.

KayaMan September 27th, 2004 02:33 AM

hi swimkid,

thanks for the feedback. i haven't reproduced it yet, but will try a some more configurations tomorrow.

Does it only happen with mp3's or have you tried other file types? If it's only mp3's we can narrow it down to the id3 lib support added.

thanks

swimkid September 27th, 2004 05:23 PM

most of the files are mp3's but i have 20 or so video files. But when it crashes i think it only has time to proccess around 100 mp3's


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