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Now that they changed their agent, they can dl from us again. However they don't play fair with other gnutella clients even with updating their GnucDNA. See the thread here: Hey Kayaman, get your act together

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there are some problems with banning Morpheus:
1) they can change their user agent again and again
2) the only way to ban Morpheus for good would require you to ban some other vendors and older LimeWire versions too.

That aside: +1

Banning Morpheus, possibly even all GnucDNA based clients until they have fixed their implementation is a good idea.
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Salut Trap_Jaw,
Isn't LW has remote control of some kind in 4.1.x betas for the network topology? Would that be able to include bad vendor such as corrupted GnucDNAs?

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Edit: or simply get LW users to get a security update once a week with newest virus (morpheus) definitions?

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Salut Trap_Jaw,
Isn't LW has remote control of some kind in 4.1.x betas for the network topology? Would that be able to include bad vendor such as corrupted GnucDNAs?

Ciao

Edit: or simply get LW users to get a security update once a week with newest virus (morpheus) definitions?
LimeWire has not added the capability to control the banned vendors remotely. I did submit a patch to enable LimeWire to do that but LimeWire seems to be very busy with getting ver. 4.2 out.

The problem remains: Morpheus could start faking BearShare connection headers or gtk-gnutella connection headers, we have no means of identifying securely. Morpheus will need some time to react to another ban, but to ban them securely, LimeWire will have to start to add some kind of secure handshake to identify other vendors.
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am I guessing correctly that said handshake would have to be an effort that was supported by the other vendors?..seems to me that if all good clients joined together to identify themselves to each other, them Morpheus wouldn't have a damn chance...
Well Bearshare has a more secure mecanism to identify other Bearshare (with identity keys and encryption) than LW. That's one benifit of close source VS open source. Even if LW did somthing special to identify good clients, there are always easy workarounds when you can read the code. If the Morpheus people were sincere, they would have kept the Morpheus identity instead of morph410, morph420 etc... and get their act together (as my other thread said...) to improve their own gnutella engine so LW unban them. Thing is you CAN'T trust morpheus devs and other profitors despite what their fanboys say.

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I know Peerless. But, it is clear now that I'm on their case In Québec the slogan on cars is: Je me souviens, which means "I remember" so I do remember them. Just for laugh, here is a review of morpheus on download.com by Anadalan: (http://www.download.com/3302-2166_4-10313364.html)
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"Morpheus keeps getting better, if they keep up the good work i will love it more"
and vampmon and kayaman r the people who make morpheus so u should say thx 2 them i see it on gnutellaforums.com and click gnucDNA based client then click morpheus keep up the good work guys!!! !!! !!!
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Anadalan: (http://www.download.com/3302-2166_4-10313364.html)
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"Morpheus keeps getting better, if they keep up the good work i will love it more"
and vampmon and kayaman r the people who make morpheus so u should say thx 2 them i see it on gnutellaforums.com and click gnucDNA based client then click morpheus keep up the good work guys!!! !!! !!!
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Hey at least he also promoted our side, next time he should post a direct link.

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I guess they just dont realize that there are a few ppl who will do their best to inform others of the reality...
See? I always knew that Morpheus was a Liar. The true reality is the one that he calls "the Matrix" in order to decieve below-zero-IQ individuals such as that Thomas A. Anderson guy. I think it was pretty obvious that the Agents were the good guys. Unfortunately, the best one, Smith became a traitor and it all went downhill from there.
And poor Cypher in the first movie? He tries to help them, put them out of their misery and what does he get? They fry him up real nice. Ingrates.
Plus, nobody seems to agree with my views on that flick. After I've presented them to people, they call me names and start boo-ing me. I just don't understand.
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On a more serious note, after reading the greater part of et voilàs thread adressed to Kayaman, and posts in the Morpheus forums (plus some additional reviews who trash it), I find myself thinking, why do they put Adware and other stuff like that in it? And about that comparison with LW (you know, the "we put them in the bundle, but LW does it too so it's ok" kind of thing), I personally (and I think that many people will agree) don't consider that poor little window that appears on start-up asking you if you'd want to go to Pro as Adware (or any other kind of malicious stuff). On the other hand, I read in reviews in download.com that Morpheus has put so much stuff in and other similar complaints. How is this comparable? Isn't there a difference between "one ad to help developement" and a "so much stuff in that it becomes frustrating"?
Granted, I've never used Morpheus so I will stop talking. I just wanted to make a little point.
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Matrix note: I hate Cypher that I called the "Rat". M. Smith was definitly the coolest of the serie. And yes murasame, your likings of those movies are weird

Well I'm testing every Morpheus going out. Vampmon complains about the pro window at startup with LW. I agree it's annoying. Here what does Morpheus however: At first install they ask if you don't want to buy Morph ultra instead for 20$ /6 months (1.11$ more than LW even if they use open source apps, not much dev work). I select free. They install Mysearchbar and ebates. Morpheus starts, there are pop ups (ads) coming from the default browser (great ) I remove the two spywares. I test Morpheus, it is buggy, unstable and too much processor intensive. I see they are still leeching and that they changed some icons since the last version. I close the POS. I want to uninstall it. When uninstalling they ask if I'm sure, that if I want they can tell me how to uninstalling the spywares (great they tell at uninstallation ) I click I'm sure they they pop a window that I can't skip asking for what reason I uninstall the POS (I always select swithching to another P2P ).

Morpheus... who???? Truth is that if there is new debates between Kayaman/Vamp and me, I have still arguments not used yet, héhéhé.

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PS: half of the 5/5 reviews on dl.com come from Morpheus devs and there suppoters in the Morpheus IRC channel, so ignore them...
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