4.9.30 is still OK to use.. its actually better to use 4.9.30 because of the better UP support.

Are you saying the future versions will only share licensed material? What qualifies material to be licensed? What types of files fall into this category? What video, audio, documents, images, etc. which specific types &/or files will be affected. I'm confused about this. I think this needs clarification. Will it affect Stief's shared material? Will it affect the type of material I stated I like to seek (material unavailable to buy)?

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Yeah to #1. A licence like Creative Commons, Weed Share, GPL, LGPL, licences that make a file free of use. For any type of files. LW will probably have a server with a database of every file with a licence where legality will be checked. They will give the user the possiblity to licence a file (but verify it afterwards). Anyway, that licence thing will be a big mess and a flop. Hence the predictable vcorporate LW death when no one pays anymore for Pro (network death will happen sooner).

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What is your or anybody elses opinion of rare audio recordings such as unofficially recorded concerts ... would they be able to be licensed? And what about anonymity with licensing of files for sharing?

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Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
640 K [of computer memory] ought be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates (1981)
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. -- Albert Einstein
When facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. -- Albert Einstein
Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich. -- Napoleon Bonaparte
The important thing is not to stop questioning. -- Albert Einstein
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein
"A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians." -- Frank Zappa
"Tobacco is my favorite vegetable." / "May your sh*t come to life and kiss you on the face." / "Scientology, how about that? You hold on to the tin cans and then this guy asks you a bunch of questions, and if you pay enough money you get to join the master race. How's that for a religion?" / "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." / "There are three things that smell of fish. One of them is fish. The other two are growing on you!" / "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny." / "The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." / "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." / "The most important thing to do in your life, is to not interfere with somebody else's life." / "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, in order to provide articles for people who can't read." -- Frank Zappa
"The music business is a cruel and shallow trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

I think that licencing sucks. Just look at all the legal files over Gnet. Not even 1% of them are licenced.

Prepare your P2P alternative everybody....

BTW, I sent a link to this thread to SlyckTom of slyck.com as everybody should be in the know about that.

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salut et voilà, mon ami

As soon as people realize that using or connecting to a LW version above 4.9.29 gets them into a controlled network, they will ask "where can we get an older version?"

We should share the installers that will help users remain freely connected.

(ultracross: ) 4.9.30 is already controlled by fewer ultrapeers, so I will participate only in a network of 4.9.29 Ultrapeers or earlier. I plan to ask for vendor/version blocking to help keep a free and open international network.

When the network consisted of 150K users, this still allowed much development to continue, and there is still lots of work to do before Mark Gorton's vision of an open and free network is realized.

gnutella is far from dead: we should encourage and facilitate those interested in F/LOSS to only use 4.29 and earlier. This will preserve the current network and provide an option to the controlled network.

Personally, I like the idea of ridding the network of all that audio crap Vive la texte et les images! Pardon my French.

LOTR: currently only audio files will be affected, but the code is ready to not share other extensions too. As far as I'm concerned, that's not the issue. It's that LW has been pressured into allowing the RIAA to exert influence over material and people outside of the USA. What hackers! "All your files belong to US " Yeah right.

So: can you experts tell me this? Will sharing my 4.9.29 Pro.dmg be any use to other OS X users? I'm currently sharing LimeWire 4.9.29jum431 OS X (magnet available on request).

Salut Stief Good idea about sharing 4.9.30 installers. I'll do that. As soon as frostwire.com is set up and has installers, I'll be sure that it gets a forum here so people can discuss and find an alternative with all the greatness of LW technology minus that CC branch.

Gnutella will survive, but boy those time with excess of 3,5 mill simultaneous users (again with trap_jaw crawler) will feel long ago and weird compared to what's coming. It is like 2002 Gnutella all over again

at least, LW forks will still keep LW technology alive, thanks to GPL and open source dev.

I will come here less often, because I'm really sad thinking about what we've been going through just to waste a proggy like that. Moreover, I lost faith in justice and freedom

Ciao

LW RIP
2000-2005
Killed by money and stupidity

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I'm sure there's a no. of people who have older version installers lying around. I have 4.8.1 pro for pc & mac, I probably also have earlier & later for both around as well. This sort of breaks/kills that attitude of getting rid of older versions for the health & progression of the network. I presume versions above 4 are sought. (Thanks Stief for the explanation.)

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Imagination is more important than knowledge. -- Albert Einstein
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former. -- Albert Einstein
640 K [of computer memory] ought be enough for anybody. -- Bill Gates (1981)
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources. -- Albert Einstein
When facts don't fit the theory, change the facts. -- Albert Einstein
Religion keeps the poor from murdering the rich. -- Napoleon Bonaparte
The important thing is not to stop questioning. -- Albert Einstein
I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones. -- Albert Einstein
"A composer is a guy who goes around forcing his will on unsuspecting air molecules, often with the assistance of unsuspecting musicians." -- Frank Zappa
"Tobacco is my favorite vegetable." / "May your sh*t come to life and kiss you on the face." / "Scientology, how about that? You hold on to the tin cans and then this guy asks you a bunch of questions, and if you pay enough money you get to join the master race. How's that for a religion?" / "Communism doesn't work because people like to own stuff." / "There are three things that smell of fish. One of them is fish. The other two are growing on you!" / "Jazz is not dead, it just smells funny." / "The creation and destruction of harmonic and 'statistical' tensions is essential to the maintenance of compositional drama. Any composition (or improvisation) which remains consonant and 'regular' throughout is, for me, equivalent to watching a movie with only 'good guys' in it, or eating cottage cheese." / "Remember there's a big difference between kneeling down and bending over." / "The most important thing to do in your life, is to not interfere with somebody else's life." / "Rock journalism is people who can't write, interviewing people who can't talk, in order to provide articles for people who can't read." -- Frank Zappa
"The music business is a cruel and shallow trench, a long plastic hallway where thieves and pimps run free and good men die like dogs. There's also a negative side." - Hunter S. Thompson

LOTR, I'm trying to find out if it is OK to share the Pro installer . . . but the LimeWire 4.9.29jum431 OS X.dmg is OK. After all, it is almost the equivalent to Pro.

Users just need to search for and share "29jum.dmg" so that OSX users can participate in the current open network internationally. Thanks in advance to the windows users who share the jum installer: much appreciated.

Other options should be available soon: this is something we can do now.

There really is no big rush: this is just to demonstrate that the network is still free and open, and that the ideals of limewire.org can continue.

Cheers all and happy sharing: no need to despair about justice and freedom

Slyck story: http://www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=14427

About Pro sharing... Well I would not share Pro installers right now, but I'll consider it once they release 4.9.31.

Ciao

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stief

Here goes Grandpa being stupid again but I am thinking of setting one of my computers up to do nothing but run as a UP and share nothing but good copies of the all the different OS versions of LimeWire.

I am no programmer so how would I go about getting good copies of 4.9.29 since the current version is .30 and would not be able to tell if the versions I get from the network are corrupted or not.

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A little common sense goes a long way

Later Grandpa

this whole thing is very, very disturbing...

it looks like only major record labels are going to be able to distribute stuff in the near future...ppl like me, who without a doubt own all legal rights to their materials, will be unable to use the internet to freely distribute their works...what a farking joke...

just more proof that there is indeed a conspiracy to take over and control the world...who are the conspirators?...the rich of course, who else?

good idea GrandPa. I've already provided the search term needed for a reliable OS X installer; et voilà and other would know about other platforms. Just get the magnets from them.

and the story is out on http://p2pnet.net/story/6365 too.

Sigh. Lots of FUD to deal with soon.

The network is fine; current installations are fine; alternatives for future installers are available.

Peerless, I'll continue to share your music, and have no idea yet what kinds of hoops we'll have to jump through. Actually, I don't think I'll bother, but will just continue sharing it if that's OK with you.