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| View Poll Results: What kind of payment do you prefer? | |||
| Paypal! |    | 7 | 10.77% |
| Buy it! |    | 11 | 16.92% |
| monthly fee! |    | 0 | 0% |
| Gator, eZula and Cydoor! |    | 3 | 4.62% |
| What is Gator, eZula and Cydoor? |    | 0 | 0% |
| Other solution - please post which? |    | 3 | 4.62% |
| I don´t want to pay for Limewire! | | 11 | 16.92% |
| Ads are ok -- just no spyware! | | 30 | 46.15% |
| Voters: 65. You may not vote on this poll | |||
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December 12th, 2001
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 Good heavens! Well, it doesn't seem to me that Morgwen has been so rude. He was inviting to give suggestions, which is a constructive intention. Maybe he does not speak (nor I do  ) as a queen of the XVIII century, but i would not call him a troll for this.Carlo  |
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December 12th, 2001
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| I just want to chime in that we should all try to be as friendly as possible about all of this (echoing Carlo) -- it's already a little pathetic that we all spend so much time on this forum (I know I've posted on several Saturday nights!), but let's not let it degrade to personal attacks on each other, ok? From my perspective, what we're talking about is too important -- gnutella and it's success or failure is too important -- to allow personal differences to consume all of our energy. Regarding the spyware issues, I just want to point out that all of the spyware is optional on the install, so the analogy above does not really work aside from the good point by an earlier contributor mentioning that you are being given the house for FREE! Cydoor is not an optional install, but Cydoor does not collect any information about you -- it's just an ad-engine. There's a helluva big difference in my mind. This is more like buying a TV for your house (displays ads) -- a pretty common practice in my experience =).
__________________ Adam Fisk LimeWire Developer Last edited by afisk : December 13th, 2001 at 08:28 AM. |
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December 18th, 2001
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| Hey, Morgwen! I think your poll, suggestions, and time have been taken seriously over at LimePeer! http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/pro
__________________ ~TruStarWarrior~ LimeWire Forum Moderator |
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December 18th, 2001
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| I wouldn't mind paying it. But it's so easy to remedy yourself, I'm just going to get rid of the ads on my own. Has anyone noticed that Aureate is being installed with 1.9 and 2.0 betas? I am, and someone else I know is too. I don't see any warning in the installation, or a license agreement either. :-|..............
__________________ ~TruStarWarrior~ LimeWire Forum Moderator |
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December 20th, 2001
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| Just to follow up on this, we looked into the Aureate issue in more detail. It turns out that the Cydoor installer is installing a directory called "AdCache" in the system32 folder. This is just a little cache to make the ads display more efficiently. Apparently, however, this is the same directory name that Aureate uses, and Ad-Aware incorrectly flags it as an Aureate file. It's really just a part of the Cydoor ads engine.
__________________ Adam Fisk LimeWire Developer |
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December 22nd, 2001
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| How about a completely diffrent aproach : You currently have 8 banners circulating how about making a dir on the limewire website and dump them in there : example http://www.limewire.com/ads/ and then number all ads like this inside that dir : ad01.gif ad02.gif ad03.gif ... Then built a routine inside LimeWire to download them all when it starts up , and display them randomly . (preffered) Or Make download it again everytime it changes the currently displaying ad . (not so preffered) Now with today's modern web-servers it wouldn't be that hard to count how much that file gets downloaded . Why use aurate / Cydoor / ... when you can simply make a routine to download the file from a regular webserver ? The main problem that the LimeWire team has with the ads is not displaying them to the people but proving to the ad-companies that they have been actually displayed or they won't get paid See Cydoor and Aurate don't only circulate the ads like the LimeWire crew claims but it also counts how long and how manny times the ad has been displayed . Who knows what their agreement with the ad companies is ? - fixed amount of $$ - $$ per download of ad - $$ per view of ad (best gues) - $$ per time ad is displayed - $$ per click exept for the first option all those arrangments need some kind of feedback to the ad-companies . When it downloads ads , we say : OK When it shows ads , we say : OK when it sends feedback of those ads : Alarm , red alert !! And that's why there are so much complaints on the forum about the ads . Most people don't mind the ads being showed . What they do mind is that "feedback" that programs like Cydoor and Aurate provide . So the questions is not : How do we get rid of the ads ? But : What other options then Spyware do we have to keep the ad firms happy and thus LimeWire paid ? Now you people say : Why don't we make LimeWire do this all itself ; display the ads and provide the feedback ? Because those big ad-firms won't trust LimeWire at that level , they won't say "You tell us how much ads you displayed this month and well pay you , no evidence needed to support that number . Gold bouillion or silver krougerrands this time ?" Spyware is completly developed sepperatly by the ad-firms . Then they give it to the LimeWire crew with instructions on how to insert it into the program . They don't get to change a single byte . If they would give the specifications of the online and server end of the spyware , LimeWire would gladly accept that arrangement and write their own ad-code into LimeWire . But no , like I said the ad firms don't trust LimeWire on that level and won't let them write their own code for the feedback . So their stuck with the spyware that their ad firm provides . Wich usually does nasty things we don't like . "So , go with another ad firm !" That would be the most logical thing to conclude . But have you looked at the list of spyware recently ? It's thaaat long ... Good luck finding an ad firm wich doesn't force spyware onto LimeWire . |
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December 29th, 2001
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| If all LimeWire users downloaded the images from limewire.com, LimeWire Inc. would definitely go out of business. Do you know how much bandwidth that would consume? I'll show you.... 8 images roughly 50,000 bytes (50KB) each. This is minimum but I believe they're bigger than that. 8 * 50,000 = 400,000 (400KB almost half a megabyte) If you ever studied the host count at limewire.com you can tell at least ~20,000 hosts sign-on through out the day. 400,000 * 20,000 = 8,000,000,000 (8 Gigabytes) That would mean 8 gigs of data would transfer from limewire.com daily and bandwidth is not free. They are already paying for router.limewire.com whichs gets a lot of gnutella traffic constantly from all types of clients. I mean shutup about the ads already just pay your 6 dollars and be happy. Give something back to the community.... |
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April 30th, 2002
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| The main reason that we didn't write an ad engine ourselves is that we would rather spend our time coding LimeWire. There are the server load issues and everything as well, but it's also just a whole separate piece of code to maintain, especially when you get into detailed reporting to advertisers. Cydoor has all of this set up, and they also have established relationships with advertisers. Advertising is their full-time job, whereas we prefer not to deal with this stuff. So, that's the story. We were also never claiming that Cydoor did not keep track of its views/click throughs, etc. There would be absolutely no way for Cydoor to sell advertising if that were the case. It does detailed reporting, again, just like the banner at the top of this page does detailed reporting.
__________________ Adam Fisk LimeWire Developer |
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