Ok guys, I like to start a little thread on this Bearshare program.

I'll do it in the proper Bearshare forum.

Just am going to announce it here.


This is to get all interested people to put down their observations, findings and possibly (hopefully) ways to muzzle this intrusive, but very good otherwise, Gnutella Net client.


It (your bearshare program/client) talks to other bearshare clients running on the network, not just direct, but via anybody you are connected with!

And it does that using ENCRYPTED packets!


You cannot stop it, you cannot read it, you don't know what's inside (well some of it is being explained by VINNIE, the Bearshare man), you don't know what will be inside tomorrow and you may not like what it does (if you would know).


It is very technical and quite un-noticable and unknown to the average surfer, who may be only interested in sharing and downloading files, and 'trusts' in the program doing the 'right' thing to him/her.


Well, trust is something, which never ever hast lasted too long, not with people you don't know, not even with your closest friend(s) or lover(s) - unless you are very very lucky!

Sorry, you may not agree with this last bit, but let me say to you now - just live a bit longer and you will understand.

So head off into the Bearshare forum and if you do some testing yourself give your results.


Hopefully somebody comes up with some firewall, code filter or what to do to stop this encrypted packeting between Bearshare clients.


The 'Gnutella Net' MUST stay free of this ego-centric and/or program-centric pollution. It is already congested enough with unfair people who download without sharing, who do not enable incoming connections, but whinge when they cannot connect to anybody fast.


Remember: If nobody has incoming connections enabled, you and I cannot connect to anybody and each other.

The Gnutella Net is still young and growing, and we all make what it is today and tomorrow.


Happy sharing, 'keep the ********* honest' and the controlling and un-necessary (and unwanted) packeting on the Gnutella Net to a MINIMUM.


JD

What are you spamming the forums with this crap. The packets are used for update notices nothing more.

Sephiroth you're an anoing bearshare fundamentalist

No kidding. Shhhh ... dont tel anyone, its a secret!

In other words he is saying BearShare sucks....Check out my cool BearShare fan site.

http://www.aahost.net/gnutella/bearshit


[ trademarked BearShare logo deleted ]


kick *** :]

Cyclocide, please delete the threads which use the trademarked BearShare logos.

Vinnie, if you have noticed its not the trademarked BearShare logo. For one it says BearShit....Anti-BearShit. My post is not a rambling apon rambling "flame" as you may assume. The post is my expressed thoughts about BearShare. Just as Vinnie has thoughts about my fan site. We can agree to disagree. Infringement only occurs when its an unauthorized duplicate of the original as mine is different to the original.

BearShare, The Power To Share, BearShare.Net, FreePeers, FreePeers Agent, and Defender are trademarks of Free Peers, Inc., Copyright © 2001, all rights reserved worldwide, and may not be used without permission.

If you're speaking of the (term, word, phrase, etc) BearShare as being the "trademarked logo". You must also remember this is the "BearShare" forum.

Anyways do you like my site Vinnie? :]

anti-bearshare: In the future, please don't post that logo here.

Your logo was copyright infringement.

Remember what happened when ****ed Company used logos similar to Fast Company's, idealab!'s, and Amazon.com's?

No I don't. Post a link to a news story. I would like to read it.

Keep in mind that I'm not defending Vinnie or BearShare here; I'm just stating the facts.

In response to your site, specifically reason number 6:

That html page you described (http://home.bearshare.com/) doesn't load (click) every minute. It only loads when you start BearShare.

The ads on that page are being served by <a href="http://www.fastclick.com/">FastClick</a>. I'm familiar with FastClick because we use them for our sites. They pay CPM for pop-unders and either CPM or CPC for 468x60 banner ads, but they only pay for unique users. So using your example, if 10,000 unique users load that page, Vinnie receives 10 * CPM/CPC rate, which is just a small fraction of what you calculated.

Vinnie initially bundled those so-called "spyware" applications with BearShare to generate revenue. A lot of people complained so he made installing them optional in version 2.2.4, and integrated a web browser instead. Now you're complaining about the web browser? Developing BearShare is expensive, distributing it is expensive, and supporting it is expensive. Money doesn't grow on trees and Vinnie doesn't have backing from a company with a lot of resources like Gnotella and LimeWire do. So how do you expect Vinnie to generate revenue from BearShare if he doesn't bundle those applications or integrate a web browser?

http://slashdot.org/yro/00/09/26/1248204.shtml

http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39086,00.html

Still, no matter how scathing it might be, parody is legal -- specifically protected by a "fair use" provision in trademark and copyright law -- so long as it meets certain tests.

For parody to be legal, there has to be a meaningful connection between the subject of the parody and the ultimate message. In other words, you can't take, say, the Microsoft logo and use it to make a parody about evil corporations destroying the ozone layer. Also, the parody has to be sufficiently distinct from the original to be recognizable as a parody.

- taked from the <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39086,00.html">Wired.com story</a>.

I was depicting the relationship with BearShare to BearShit (as it sucks) and BearShit as "BearShare". Then with the whole phrase Anti-BearShit.

They didn't even go to court to decide if it was copyright infringement or not.

That is why I said Imagine....My intent on that comment was not really for Vinnie making the money. Because apparently no one wants to invest into Vinnie's awesome company. With the intergration of adware, spyware, html banners, etc. Gnutella will become commericalized. No one wants thats. I ****ing hate ads myself. Also with ads there are privacy issues. Such as cookies and other things that ultimately lead to companies tracking your web usage. That is a fact. I dont like that either. Neither should you.

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The ads on that page are being served by <a href="http://www.fastclick.com/">FastClick</a>. I'm familiar with FastClick because we use them for our sites. They pay CPM for pop-unders and either CPM or CPC for 468x60 banner ads, but they only pay for unique users. So using your example, if 10,000 unique users load that page, Vinnie receives 10 * CPM/CPC rate, which is just a small fraction of what you calculated.[quote]
Same as above.

Sell drugs (joke if anyone didnt notice). I'll have to say same as above.


Cyclocide thank you for letting my posts stay and me expressing my thoughts about a certain subject. Thank you.

Still, no matter how scathing it might be, parody is legal -- specifically protected by a "fair use" provision in trademark and copyright law -- so long as it meets certain tests.

For parody to be legal, there has to be a meaningful connection between the subject of the parody and the ultimate message. In other words, you can't take, say, the Microsoft logo and use it to make a parody about evil corporations destroying the ozone layer. Also, the parody has to be sufficiently distinct from the original to be recognizable as a parody.

- taked from the <a href="http://www.wired.com/news/business/0,1367,39086,00.html">Wired.com story</a>.

I was depicting the relationship with BearShare to BearShit (as it sucks) and BearShit as "BearShare". Then with the whole phrase Anti-BearShit.

They didn't even go to court to decide if it was copyright infringement or not.