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March 5th, 2002
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 Blocking other servents (BS answer for everything) Hi, Morpheus starts to become an (important) part on Gnutella and our friend Vinnie start to think about blocking and splitting Gnutella and Bearshare, again. Vinnie's solution for everything... boooring. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/5756 http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/5760  |
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March 6th, 2002
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 It's only what Vinnie wants: Quote:
__________________ Okay, so I've been gone a while - but hey, meanwhile online translators have gotten better: Ce n'est pas ma faute. Blâmer vous-même. ---- Ne me blâmez pas. Blâment votre individu. |
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March 6th, 2002
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 The anwser to Mikes post is very funny: ************************************************** From: "freepeers" <info@f...> Date: Wed Mar 6, 2002 2:18 pm Subject: Re: Timestamping Alternate-Location --- In the_gdf@y..., "Mike Green" <mgreen@e...> wrote: > Damn it Vinnie, cut the crap! What YOU want is not what EVERYONE ELSE wants! God has spoken, and the word is "YYYYMMDDHHMMSS". And stop chanting the "Just be different" Macintosh mantra. ************************************************** Yes dear users the next time you go in the church, don´t forget to pray to Vinnie... the godness of Gnutella king of bearshare.net and the Lord of chaos! Vinnie should be taken back to the reality! Morgwen
__________________ patience is a virtue Last edited by Morgwen : March 6th, 2002 at 07:43 AM. |
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March 6th, 2002
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March 7th, 2002
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| Now has Vinnie removed 0.4 protocol support! http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../03062002d.php I ask several developers, if this is necessary... they said all "NO"! Vinnie is trying to build up Gnutella with his rules... You should read this thread too: sneaky way to make private LW or BS network Morgwen
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March 12th, 2002
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| I think it's sure that... I think it's sure that Bearshare prefers own client connections: I've made a test: installed BearShare and connected to the public.bearshare.net host. 2-3 minutes later i had 10 bearshare connections. Then, i removed all bearshare hostcache entries and connected to connect1.gnutellanet.com... and... got nearly 100% gnucleus connections one thing is clear: BS can connect to others, but it doesn't get the IPs of "concurrent" clients by default. That's the politics of Vinnie
__________________ GREETZ - *Phantom81* ;-) |
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March 12th, 2002
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| Hi Phantom! Yes this is the bearshare reality! bearshare prefer his own nodes and wants now to use the other nodes as a safety, you should read this post: http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...threadid=10411 They are all denying until Vinnie confirms that his hostcaches only supports "OWN" nodes! Funny is that Vinnie discussed in the public, that he want to block "Xolox" because is unhealthy for the net... later "ALL" 0.4 clients - and "NOW" he is blocking all clients!?!? So "ALL" non-bearshare clients are unhealthy for the net? Which net? The "NEW" vinnie.net??? I should mention here Limewire does the same with "THEIR" router.limewire.com... Morgwen
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March 12th, 2002
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| The only thing that is unhealthy... The only thing that is unhealthy is the hole in their money pocket that they want to shrink.... and this hole, they think, are all the other clients.. understandable. i think there is already an only-bearshare net and an only-limewire net. But they forget one thing: if they separate from the rest of the network, they get less users and less files, and also the silliest users will see that the real "community" is better than bs+lw btw morg: hi long time no see 
__________________ GREETZ - *Phantom81* ;-) |
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March 12th, 2002
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| Re: The only thing that is unhealthy... Quote:
This means the user see "ONLY" that the most connetions are from Limewire and bearshare - so they think they are the "MAYOR" part of the net! Morgwen P.S.: I think today I will be on #gnutelladev! 
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March 12th, 2002
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| I cant beleive this! So basicly if you aint BS or LW youre not on the network! Maybe they need to go buy their own network. From: freepeers info@f... Date: Tue Mar 12, 2002 8:43pm Subject: Re: Feature Query Proposal --- In the_gdf@y..., "jbt00000" <junkmail@j...> wrote: > --- In the_gdf@y..., "freepeers" <info@f...> wrote: > I would hope other developers would jump on the bandwagon and adopt > useful features, but based on past history (yes, LW and BS > are included), things move slowly (when were ultrapeer > and huge approved?). I wont base my commercial existance on the > widespread deployment of all my ideas by other servents. If you have a commercial interest then you should both operate a host cache, and include connection preferencing features to make your clients clump together. This was our solution, and it works quite nicely without requiring protocol extensions. LimeWire has used that solution for a while now and it has worked well for them too. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/6284 |
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March 12th, 2002
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| ahhhh Ok, so BS prefers BS connections so what? It still connects to other clients. But it is better for BS users to be clumped together. Why? Because so many of the clients out there do not support the newer features that will make gnutella a great network. If I can only search a portion of the network I want my results from the most up to date clients that support great features like HUGE, GGEP, UP, ect... I dont want to be connected to clients that are no longer in development and bringing the network down. Why does everyone here insist that these older clients are the best thing. Fear of change? Gnutella must change to grow and evolve. |
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March 12th, 2002
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| Gnutellafan! We are not talking here about Xolox or other 0.4 clients - we are talking about "ALL" clients! As I said its not healthier for gnutella only for the Vinnie.net, this isn´t Gnutella anymore! Morgwen
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March 12th, 2002
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| of my 10 connection 1 or 2 are usually non-BS clients. I am clearly still connected to the rest f the network. Even IF (big if) Vinnie wants to completely separate BS from gnutella it is his choice. I would leave BS then unless it offered superior performance to the gnet. I still see no argument against clumping as long as you dont totally cut of the rest of the network. |
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