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March 16th, 2002
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 Introducing the OpenSource Network! All we have to do to get away from greed, Vinnie and the like is to let them have GNUTELLA CONNECT. We will change to OPENSOURCE CONNECT/0.6 that way they can never use it and try to use our resources to provide data to their $$$ clients. You will be assured that you aren't contributing $$ to new car purchases and corporate overhead! Start coding now! It only takes a one line change. No need to change the entire protocol, it works fine as is. The new rule/law on the OpenSource network is no commercial greedy clients allowed. If anyone tries to make a buck from their software, and/or doesn't provide source code they are completely blocked. A list of commercial clients will be posted to this forum and then will be blocked automatically. No more greed!  |
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March 16th, 2002
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| In Gnucleus, "GnucleusDoc.cpp" at about line 115 ModeNetwork = "GNUTELLA"; All you have to do is change it to ModeNetwork = "OPENSOURCE"; And you are ready to go! Anyone want to supply a downloadable version? It wouldn't be hard to add to "Preferences.cpp" a line that would allow this to be changed in the "GnuConfig.ini" file. |
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March 16th, 2002
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| And a little "marketing" blurb you can post: You use your network resources and spend your personal time sharing your files to the network. Did you know other people are making big bucks and buying new cars because of your efforts? Do you want your efforts to go towards corporate overhead? Do you spend your time sharing files so other greedy people can get rich? Are you worried that the RIAA/MPAA can pressure commercial P2P companies into giving them your personal information through threats of law suits? If greed is #1 and the RIAA offers them $$$ do you think they will turn it down? Are you tired of spyware and popup ads? Join the OpenSource P2P Net today! No corporate greed is allowed on the OpenSource P2P Net! If a client does not provide source code and/or tries to make money from their software, the client is blocked automatically! No spyware, no popup ads because it's open source! Only pure P2P file sharing, like it should be! It's easy! Look for patches or new versions of your favorite open source client on this forum! Gnucleus is the first to have a easy patch and is ready to join the OpenSource P2P Net! |
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March 16th, 2002
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| To kick this off we need a few nice people with static IPs to run Gnucleus 24 hrs with the OpenSource connect string mod. At first it won't take much bandwidth since your node will mostly be used to find other nodes. Please post your IPs here, thanks. People wanting to connect should add these IPs to their host cache list and take all the old ones out. Join today and we can really get this thing kicking! |
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March 16th, 2002
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 You Sir, are a moron I guess you have no idea how much work is involved in fielding a decent P2P client. Nor do you have a clue what the cost of serving a client to the masses is. How would you pay for this: (eg. Morpheus): 15 million files downloaded @ 707KB/user = ~10000 GB of bandwidth. Considering you can get bandwidth for no less than $2/GB that works out to ~$20000+ StreamCast paid for users to download Morpheus just last week. That bandwidth doesn't count their web traffic, the cost of web infrastructure, or management/maintenance of it. (I admit, with Morpheusp they have no overhead for development) So if you think companies are greedy just because they expect some revenues for their development efforts, you're ignorant. Grow up and understand that people work for money, not for your pirating pleasure. |
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March 16th, 2002
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| DM, are you kidding? There are lots of open source clients more popular than that. Sourceforge supplies a lot of that bandwidth, and so does rpmfind, freshmeat etc... No reason to have a profit when everyone contributes a little code and a little bandwidth. Isn't that what true P2P is all about? Swabby has been more like a software director lately just inserting patches people have sent him. This is cool. The RIAA can't do anything about open source clients, you can't stop people from modifying and using their own source code. Commercial for profit clients are the weak link. If some way is found to DOS the network, a patch can be posted and the DOS attack stopped in minutes! There are free web servers, mirrors, and the Gnucleus "evolver" will shortly be using P2P to distribute updates! P2P is free! Let's keep it that way! |
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March 16th, 2002
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 [quote]Originally posted by Unregistered [b]DM, are you kidding? There are lots of open source clients more popular than that. QUOTE] You're trying to tell me that there are open source clients more popular than (the o/s) Morpheusp? All the other open source clients in the world combined do not move the kind of bandwidth StreamCast does. I think it's typical of clueless developers to think that any kind of coding talent is going to give themselves away to some "good Samaritan" o/s project. If you want to try it, do it, stop talking about it. If you want a P2P app to get big, you will incur huge costs, case closed. If you want to recoup those costs, you will find a revenue stream. Mod- sorry about the offensive post, i'll tone it down in the future |
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March 17th, 2002
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Gnucleus and the other open source clients are big enough, and I doubt that Swabby (John) has incurred the huge costs you mention. After you finish pulling your foot out of your mouth, you might want to try one of the open source clients, they're pretty darned good. The RIAA can wipe out the for-profit companies, but they can never get rid of the open source on the Internet, no matter how hard they try. A for-profit client on a file sharing network? Like that's really gonna fly. Gnutella is here to stay and so are musicians. They might as well use the best distribution medium around - Gnutella. If they want to get paid, well then there is PayPal. I'm certainly willing to make a donation to the cause, and I'm sure many others are, too. |
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March 17th, 2002
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 Your idea is morally good but, I think your missing the 'big picture'. Your idea of an 'opensource protocol' is mis-guided. Gnutella IS an open protocol. the use of the protocol is free for anyone to use. The idea that one cannot recoup expenses incured to foreword their program/servant cannot be controlled by you. It would be nice to have a network created by an open protocol that allowed only those who provided a free servants to connect but, we already have it(Gnutella), with one exception. The word 'open' does not guarrantee that only free servants can use the protocol. because free is free and companies like Vinnie's(bearshare) like free stuff to and cannot help but to put their hands in the cookie jar. Basically what i'm saying is this: the use of an 'opensource' protocol is just that, free to use that protocol for communication between servants, but you cannot stop someone from offering(for money) a servant that uses that 'open' protocol. remember, the protocol is just the way the servants communicate, it is not the servant itself, and as was stated in a post above, if you start blocking other servants, be them free or a for cost servant, then you are no better than bearshare, which prefers to connect to itself(other bearshares). |
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March 17th, 2002
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| [quote]Originally posted by DM [b] Quote:
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March 17th, 2002
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DM is right to create the very best you need money and resources even linux companies like Red Hat and Mandrake make $$$ alot of the money they make goes into development of linux. Some Linux projects survive on donations and etc to make money. Somehow i find it hard to believe that many here pushing for open source gnutella network would donate any money to aid in it. As for the open source network.. Great if some people like you morgwen, moak, your groupies and others think that a 100% open source/open network is the key then by all means create a network thats just open source and open network instead of trying to force radical changes on gnutella like that every program must be open source the whole commerical programs are bad, "dont partcipate with bearshare or limewire" and etc.. Do i personally think it will work.. No based on what happen on gnutella in the past. You see before bearshare and limewire were gnutella programs gnutella was really ran on really entirely on open source and small closed source programs.. The network was losing users, there was no organization amoung the developers at all and the network almost died. I still remember the news stories predicting the death of gnutella in a couple of months.. I didnt work back then and i dont think it will work now.. But thats me.. However if strict standards are forced then really its no different than fasttrack with all programs doing the same thing but have different names.. Also i hope that it starts its own development and not just be an exact copy of gnutella.. |
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March 17th, 2002
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Seph read the posts before you post! Morpheus has ads like limewire and bearshare! BUT because Limewire is open source there is a CLEAN limewire version! I think there will be a CLEAN Morpheus versiontoo or the people will use Gnucleus!  But bearshare... who really cares about it! Morgwen
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March 17th, 2002
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Will programs like limewire and morpheous which are commerical programs be welcomed on this open source network if they choose? I believe that users can create private networks with limewire and change the handshake in options.. "clean" verisons are not the source of any development all they do is take open source and even closed source programs and repackage it into a new installer. Plenty of users care about Bearshare of course not many visit here. Maybe its because this forum is unwelcoming to bearshare users.. The phrase that was once spread about this forum being "open to all users of gnutella" seems more like a marketing ploy than reality. Because this place really isnt welcoming to everybody.. Look at all the bashing of bearshare and even pathetic personal attacks against its developer that goes on.. I dont care i support a better file sharing [www.zeropaid.com]site[/url] where all users & opinions really are welcome.. |
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