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Sleepless December 2nd, 2006 06:49 AM

Making a DVD Video using Nero 7 Premium
 
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This is Nero Vision in Nero7 Premium. Different versions of Nero may have different options.

(Note: This guide has been made for people that do not care about advanced options, but only want to learn how to make a DVD using Nero 7, so they can watch it on Standalone DVD players)

First check what DVD disk formats the DVD Player will play. It will usually say so on the player itself. Look for DVD+R, DVD-R, DVD-RW etc. In case it does not say so on the player, you will find this info in the manual that came with the player, or try google in case you thrashed or lost it.

Tools used:
Nero 7 Premium (Trial version can be found at www.nero.com)
DVD Burner is a must ;)
An empty DVD+R disk (I recommend using Verbatim disks, as they seem to be compatible with almost everything)
At least 5 GB of empty harddisk space. 10 GB would be better

First Open Nero StartSmart and you should get this screen:

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After Nero Vision is open Follow these steps:

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Where it says DVD in the lower right corner of the picture above, choose the kind you have. DVD is the normal 4.7GB DVDs. DVD-9 is the dual layer 8.5GB DVDs. These are more expensive, but if coding a long video for burning (eg. more than 2 hours) you will most likely get a better quality burn, because Nero won't have to worsen the quality to get the files to fit on the DVD.

If you have more than one file, add them in sequential order (eg. first CD1 then CD2 etc.) If the files have the same aspect ratio, you will be asked whether Nero should join the files to play as one. Choose depending on how you want the disk set up.

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Sleepless December 3rd, 2006 01:29 PM

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You can create chapters if you want, but it is not important. If happy with your choises press next and you get to the Menu setup screen. if you press "More" here you get the options below, which are really down to user preference, but I think you should know where they are.

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Unless you want to make changes, just press next until it says Burn (You are welcome to set menu up differently etc. but this is not necessary, so I won't include it here). On that screen make sure Nero has chosen the right device (drive), choose the correct speed setting for your burn and name the Disk if desired.

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Just put your empty DVD+R or DVD-R in the burner (Some DVD Players Have problems playing DVD-RW and DVD-R). Start the program (Press Burn) and leave it alone until finished.

It takes a while to convert+burn (approx 2 hours depending on how fast your computer is and the combined length of all video files added + your chosen setting (1 or 2-pass))

DO NOT run any other programs while making it. Nero Vision draws every drop of juice out of your processor while converting (100% CPU)

Hope this helps :)



Sleepless

billowski January 14th, 2007 04:45 AM

Long play
 
hey

i am just starting to use nero 7, and i was curious to find out can you not burn dvd's in long play, so you can fit more stuff on your 4.7gb dvd disk?

Mizz Sandy March 2nd, 2007 09:38 AM

Hi i am new so forgive me if this is in the wrong place. You seem to know exactly what to do please help. I have a video it has no chapters to load to photobucket or such I can only have 5 minutes . how do i make like..mini movies from my movie?

SPDERMN10 June 28th, 2007 04:21 PM

I just brought the Nero 7 Ultra Edition today. I followed your instructions to the letter. How Come it takes so long to burn an AVI file. With Nero 6 it would take half the time that Nero 7 does. Is there a different more quicker way?????

Peerless June 28th, 2007 05:37 PM

interesting...I found it to be the opposite...and let's clarify some things:

you use the word burn, when you actually meant transcode...and that is pretty much totally dependent upon the speed of your cpu and the amount of ram you have...if you've got some sort of application running in the background that is sucking away resources that will indeed make a difference, as will continually surfing online or doing massive downloading...

I've got a 2.8GHz P4 OC'd to 3.01GHz with 2GB of ram...it takes on the average an hour to transcode and burn a typical .avi file and I burn @ 8x to make sure that it turns out good

anywho, I've got nothing but good things to say about Nero7, though to be specific I use the Ultra version...

crespowu July 4th, 2007 10:46 PM

Very clear tutorial,Thanks a lot.

JerseyLinda July 20th, 2007 09:21 AM

Making a DV Video
 
Thanks for the info. I will try it. I am going to follow your suggestion about the Verbatum disks..........great tip. I didn't follow these instructions the first time, however. I do have the Nero 6, not 7 version. I hope that doesn't matter. The DVD I am trying to play is a downloaded movie. I will try to find out what DVD format my player uses. Thanks for all the great tips...........:xirokrotima::xirokrotima::xirokrot ima::xirokrotima::aweof::aweof::aweof:

ursula July 20th, 2007 09:33 AM

Butting right in here...

May I suggest that you have a long slow peruse of Nero 7 before you give up on Nero 6.

Also, note that there has actually been another update for Nero 6... It's from end of March 2007... Grab it. Ooooh, and be sure to update the manual as well. The update only applies to the base program, not Vision Express.

Me, I am staying with ver 6 until there is a real change for the better in 7.

C U

townie2 July 28th, 2007 08:10 PM

hope i'm not butting in here, but, i have nero 6, and find it leaves a wiggly line on bottom of screen on movies i burn. heard of others with same problem. i like dvd santa. full screen picture and there is a free download version that lasts indefinitely. i would also recommend getting a divex player for watching dvd,s, for about twenty bucks more, they play every kind of dvd and cd.:wasntme:

lengoldstein August 24th, 2007 12:56 PM

Wiggly line at bottom of screen
 
"i have nero 6, and find it leaves a wiggly line on bottom of screen on movies i burn"--townie2

townie2, yours is the only message I've found describing the same problem I had. In my case I'd call it more like fluctuating streaks or smears, a little like flickering flames, sometimes greenish, which would follow scrolling credits up the screen but usually stayed near the bottom. dvdSanta did eliminate the problem, but it's not as flexible for my purposes as Nero. If that's what you've got, here's what I did to eliminate the streaks but still use Nero:

I found that the streaks appeared (for me) only in a very specific set of circumstances, when I had used VirtualDub to process an AVI file and had cropped the top or bottom of the picture, and then encoded the video using the XviD codec. I found that the problem entirely disappeared when I used the 3ivx codec instead (<www.3ivx.com>). 3ivx's one restriction is that the picture height and width must both be even numbers--it won't encode a setting of 720x405, but 720x404 is fine. If you can live with that, I recommend you give 3ivx a try before giving up on Nero. Good luck!

moosenbabe September 2nd, 2007 11:02 AM

I have nero 6, and still cant figure it out. i click on the dvd selection, but my only choice is burd dvd-video files, and it said the avi was not a supported file. am i doing something wrong?

lengoldstein September 2nd, 2007 11:42 AM

Why you can't burn a DVD video from an avi file
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by moosenbabe (Post 286470)
I have nero 6, and still cant figure it out. i click on the dvd selection, but my only choice is burn dvd-video files, and it said the avi was not a supported file. am i doing something wrong?

It sounds as if you have the crippled, trial-only version of Nero. To burn an avi to a DVD you must use NeroVision or NeroVision Express, not Nero Express, which is accessed from Nero Burning ROM, a completely different program. NeroVision is unfortunately not available in the OEM trial-only version of Nero which is often included free with DVD burners and the like.

Remoc September 2nd, 2007 12:18 PM

Len, Thank You. You have just explained to me why I hate Nero. I received that piece of sh*t with my DVD Burner and I could never get it to work. Every time I tried to use Nero Express, I was always hit with a Pop Up Box wanting me to upgrade to Nero 7.
Well as you can imagine that didn't do anything but Pi*s me off so I found another program that will do everything that Nero will do and then some and it's also less expensive. You might also guess that I will never recommend Nero to anyone and will try to discourage the use of Nero to everyone that will listen. What's the use of giving out that free piece of crap if it doesn't work?? Again Thank You for this info. :mad:

Check this out: AVS Video Tools, Video Converter, Audio Tools, Video Editor, DVD Player, DVD Copy, TV Box..
Is some sweet software. I use the Audio Tools, Video Tools, and DVD Copy. :D :D

moosenbabe September 2nd, 2007 07:23 PM

Ok guys, thanks, i will purchase something else then, cause this sucks!! haha.... but anyways, i will find something better then, i was just hoping i didnt have to buy it, but oh well! Thanks again.

SteelBird November 14th, 2007 12:25 AM

Hello, Experts

This is a new member. I have a question; I copied a movie DVD into my hard disk (the entire folder VIVEO_TS). Now, I'd like to burn it back to another DVD using nero, the DVD doesn't play. Why and how to make it play? Thank you!

lengoldstein November 14th, 2007 06:38 AM

Steelbird,

Try a look at this:

<http://www.dvd-guides.com/content/view/40/59/>

SteelBird November 14th, 2007 07:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lengoldstein (Post 296848)
Steelbird,

Try a look at this:

<http://www.dvd-guides.com/content/view/40/59/>

Dear lengoldstein

The info is very helpful, thanks!

It's just a little bit different from what I did, but maybe that little bit difference made me failed twice. Again, thank you!

By the way, I'm a member from SinoDefenceForum.com, you're invited if you've never been there. China Defence Forum | Military Air Force Army Navy Missiles Defense Oh, the two sites have very similar layout...

Sleepless December 19th, 2007 06:58 PM

If you have Nero7 you can also use Nero Recode which will give you the option to completely recode the DVD to fit onto a DVD-5 disk

Just browse to the DVD folder you created when copying it onto your harddrive and then choose which parts you want on the new DVD and use "fit to disc"

vediason December 26th, 2007 09:54 PM

a powerful program indeed.
but i would rather switch to more convenient to use programs of this kind.
thanks for sharing anyway.

kenski January 28th, 2008 12:23 AM

Making a DVD Video using Nero 7 Premium Edition
 
Hello!

This is my first post. I have a hard time putting ends together on how to burn a series of video clips on a DVD using Nero 7 Premium Edition. Can I add a clip anytime? or should it be one time?

kenski :confused:

lengoldstein January 28th, 2008 09:12 AM

Adding a clip to an already-burnt DVD
 
Can I add a clip anytime? or should it be one time? -- kenski

If you've saved the .nvc file, you can open it up again with NeroVision and add in the new clip where you want it to appear, but then you must transcode the whole .nvc file (i.e. make a new .nrg file) and burn a new DVD--you can't just add your clip onto the end of the DVD, as you can with a DVD made on a standalone DVD recorder. So it's a good idea to think out your desired video(s) in advance.

Lenny

kenski January 28th, 2008 04:55 PM

Dear lengoldstein,

Thanks for the info. My work will be in place with your valuable advice.


kenski :xeri_ok1ani:

enigma257 December 31st, 2008 12:10 PM

Thank you for your post I fear I'm doing something wrong ! I have DVD+R RW 4.7 GB . everytime I try to burn it says the file is to big .... can you clear things up for me

lengoldstein December 31st, 2008 01:11 PM

.nrg file too big to burn?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma257 (Post 335117)
Thank you for your post I fear I'm doing something wrong ! I have DVD+R RW 4.7 GB . everytime I try to burn it says the file is to big .... can you clear things up for me

Hard to tell without more information, but the simple answer is that you can't put 9 pounds of potatoes in a 5-pound bag. Are you trying to copy a commercial movie DVD? Many of them are dual-layer, and even if you get past the copy protection they won't fit on a standard DVD-5 (single layer disc). In that case, go down to step 3) below. OTOH if you're making a homebrew disk and your videos are still too big to burn, you can either

1) Eliminate one or more videos from the collection you're transcoding (if you're making a DVD with several videos/titles in it);

2) Transcode at a lower bitrate, which will squeeze more content onto a DVD but at the cost of lower video quality [click on "More" at bottom of the NeroVision "Content" screen, then Video Options, DVD-Video, Quality setting = Automatic (fit to disc) or try Super Long Play]; or

3) Burn to a dual-layer disc (DVD-9), with about double the capacity, if your burner can handle DLs [ask for DVD-9 in the drop-down menu, lower right corner of the NeroVision "Content" screen]. Warning--DVD-9s are trickier to burn and are more likely to end up as coasters. They also cost a dollar and a half each and up. I've found Verbatim DLs very reliable, and I've also had good luck with Memorex DLs, which many people despise, but which my Samsung SH-S222L burner handles with no problems. Circuit City sells 25 Memorex DLs for $30, and sometimes for $20. Verbatims go for maybe twice that.

4) Finally, you can try using DVDShrink to analyze and shrink down a commercial video to an .iso that fits onto a single-layer (DVD-5) disc, or, if you already have those too-big Nero .nrgs, use UltraISO to convert your dual-layer Nero .nrg file to a standard .iso file, and then use DVDShrink to convert that to a DVD-5 .iso file, which should fit on any blank DVD. Use Google to locate UltraISO and DVDShrink; the latter is especially tricky to find.

Good luck!

enigma257 December 31st, 2008 02:09 PM

I'm goin to try to be as detailed as i can . I'm trying to use standard Video Clip type files about 700 MB . and burn it to a DVD ( 4.7 GB DVD +R RW) I can play in my DVD player or w.e . atm I'm DL'in the DVD Skrink to see if that works . and if all else fails I'll go buy larger DVD's . :aweof: thank you for your advice btw

enigma257 December 31st, 2008 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lengoldstein (Post 335119)
Hard to tell without more information, but the simple answer is that you can't put 9 pounds of potatoes in a 5-pound bag. Are you trying to copy a commercial movie DVD? Many of them are dual-layer, and even if you get past the copy protection they won't fit on a standard DVD-5 (single layer disc). In that case, go down to step 3) below. OTOH if you're making a homebrew disk and your videos are still too big to burn, you can either

1) Eliminate one or more videos from the collection you're transcoding (if you're making a DVD with several videos/titles in it);

2) Transcode at a lower bitrate, which will squeeze more content onto a DVD but at the cost of lower video quality [click on "More" at bottom of the NeroVision "Content" screen, then Video Options, DVD-Video, Quality setting = Automatic (fit to disc) or try Super Long Play]; or

3) Burn to a dual-layer disc (DVD-9), with about double the capacity, if your burner can handle DLs [ask for DVD-9 in the drop-down menu, lower right corner of the NeroVision "Content" screen]. Warning--DVD-9s are trickier to burn and are more likely to end up as coasters. They also cost a dollar and a half each and up. I've found Verbatim DLs very reliable, and I've also had good luck with Memorex DLs, which many people despise, but which my Samsung SH-S222L burner handles with no problems. Circuit City sells 25 Memorex DLs for $30, and sometimes for $20. Verbatims go for maybe twice that.

4) Finally, you can try using DVDShrink to analyze and shrink down a commercial video to an .iso that fits onto a single-layer (DVD-5) disc, or, if you already have those too-big Nero .nrgs, use UltraISO to convert your dual-layer Nero .nrg file to a standard .iso file, and then use DVDShrink to convert that to a DVD-5 .iso file, which should fit on any blank DVD. Use Google to locate UltraISO and DVDShrink; the latter is especially tricky to find.

Good luck!

SOrry for being such a noob :shoot:. I just tryin to Burn Movies From My PC to DVD . should Find a progrom to compress it to a smaller file ?

Lord of the Rings December 31st, 2008 03:05 PM

Keep in mind a 4.7 GB DVD-R holds about 4.36 - 4.37 GB of data, not 4.7. :) (similar to how a hard disk drive of 500 GB does not hold that amount in practice. It's due to different way of describing data capacities.)

As lengoldstein suggested, you can choose a lower transcode setting if you are getting a too large error message. Also, if any of the audio files are PCM, choose to remove them. There will no doubt be AC3/DTS/MPeg audio alternatives.

Depends on 'what' you are trying to burn.

I get the impression your transcode settings are too high. Either video or audio transcode settings & that is why you are getting such an error message.

For audio: Dolby AC3 192-256 should be fine for most videos. Music videos or hi-fi fx movies you may wish a higher audio bitrate. (Also depends on the audio quality trancode of the video you have ... no point choosing a 448 kbps setting if it was encoded at 256 (or less) or equivalent in the particular audio format it came in. ;) )
For video (VBR/Variable Bit Rate): do not set the Maximum bitrate too high. 8.5 or below if your audio bitrate is 448 kbps or lower (7.5-8) or lower for safety). Average bitrate depends on length of video. Usually below 8, & for a 4.7 GB disk probably 5 or less for a 2 hr video. More like around 4-4.5 mbps.

If the file you have is a single video file & not a dvd TS folder, then ... One possibility is you convert the video to a lossless format that Nero recognises well. Then use that to burn with. (I made this suggestion because a few years ago I recall I had a similar issue with a particular video format with Nero ... Nero seemed to have problems knowing the final size of that video format. I think I just burnt anyway regardless of the error messages just like you received .. too long ago to remember lol) ;)

Your problem might also be due to older version codecs that Nero uses that need updating (as my last paragraph suggested in part.) :) Check for updates. ;)

If you have DVD-RW disks, then trial out on one of those first. ;) :)

lengoldstein December 31st, 2008 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by enigma257 (Post 335121)
I'm trying to use standard Video Clip type files about 700 MB . and burn it to a DVD ( 4.7 GB DVD +R RW) ... thank you for your advice btw

You're very welcome. but let's try to make that advice work. I'm going to assume that when you say you're using a 700-MB video clip you mean a file that has an extension of .avi or .mpg. If your clip is of a different sort, there could be problems--let us know the clip's *exact* filename and size in MB. But just for example, let's say you're trying to transcode and burn to DVD a video file named "the_terminator.avi." Nero works faster with avis, but can handle mpgs too. ("Faster" is a relative term; it'll still probably take a few hours--estimate about twice the length of the film).

OK, so you start up NeroVision, click Make DVD...DVD-Video. This takes you to the Content page I mentioned in my last reply. Under "What would you like to do?" click Add Video Files..., and when the file selection window opens navigate to your hard-drive folder containing the_terminator.avi, select it, and click Open. At this point NeroVision should add that file to the DVD it's building, and the "thermometer" at the bottom should show a blue bar stretching out toward (but *not* beyond) the red hash mark at 4.38GB. If the size exceeds 4.38GB the oversize part of the line turns red and you're in trouble. But even then NeroVision will give you a message like

"Your project currently exceeds some size limits of the destination disc type.

Do you want to have the project quality reduced automatically so that your project will fit into the available space?"

Choose Yes, and if you *still* can't get it down under the 4.38GB limit then you go for the suggestions I gave earlier (DVD-9 etc.). But a 700MB avi file should fit easily. Sleepless has a good guide to the whole NeroVision DVD-making process right here on gnutella at <http://www.gnutellaforums.com/tips-tricks/64458-making-dvd-video-using-nero-7-premium.html>.

BTW, LOTR gave an excellent reply to your question, full of good technical details, after I sent mine in, but with all due respect I have a feeling you should start at a somewhat more basic level...not that there's anything wrong with that.

Oh, and happy 2009 to all our readers!

Lenny

enigma257 December 31st, 2008 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lord of the Rings (Post 335125)
Keep in mind a 4.7 GB DVD-R holds about 4.36 - 4.37 GB of data, not 4.7. :) (similar to how a hard disk drive of 500 GB does not hold that amount in practice. It's due to different way of describing data capacities.)

As lengoldstein suggested, you can choose a lower transcode setting if you are getting a too large error message. Also, if any of the audio files are PCM, choose to remove them. There will no doubt be AC3/DTS/MPeg audio alternatives.

Depends on 'what' you are trying to burn.

I get the impression your transcode settings are too high. Either video or audio transcode settings & that is why you are getting such an error message.

For audio: Dolby AC3 192-256 should be fine for most videos. Music videos or hi-fi fx movies you may wish a higher audio bitrate. (Also depends on the audio quality trancode of the video you have ... no point choosing a 448 kbps setting if it was encoded at 256 (or less) or equivalent in the particular audio format it came in. ;) )
For video (VBR/Variable Bit Rate): do not set the Maximum bitrate too high. 8.5 or below if your audio bitrate is 448 kbps or lower (7.5-8) or lower for safety). Average bitrate depends on length of video. Usually below 8, & for a 4.7 GB disk probably 5 or less for a 2 hr video. More like around 4-4.5 mbps.

If the file you have is a single video file & not a dvd TS folder, then ... One possibility is you convert the video to a lossless format that Nero recognises well. Then use that to burn with. (I made this suggestion because a few years ago I recall I had a similar issue with a particular video format with Nero ... Nero seemed to have problems knowing the final size of that video format. I think I just burnt anyway regardless of the error messages just like you received .. too long ago to remember lol) ;)

Your problem might also be due to older version codecs that Nero uses that need updating (as my last paragraph suggested in part.) :) Check for updates. ;)

If you have DVD-RW disks, then trial out on one of those first. ;) :)

:aweof::aweof::aweof: thank very much took me awhile but i think I got it .. like you said I lowered my bit rate from 5073 to 3000 and it is now allowing me to burn to DVD . Takes about 5 hours so I wont know how good it is til its done . but for those who will come after me and not know how to lower your bit rate

Once you've added your Video you want to burn : MORE > Video Options > Click the "DVD-video" Tab > Change "Quality Settings" to Custom : Which would allow you to change your bit rate to w.e will allow you to burn .

Final: lengoldstein & LOTR Thank you :xirokrotima:

enigma257 January 11th, 2009 08:34 PM

So I'm starting to Think I'm Helpless >_>

I understand that in order to Make a DVD movie there are steps to follow. Now I've used Youtube and Google and they tend to say the same thing I got here. soI feel like my problem is Simple? and I cant see it .

Tools: Nero Prem 7 , Windata DVD+ R ( Will buy Name band DVD's)

Project : Sleepless edit: No names or links to copyright material. Read the rules!!
Size: 1.37 GB
Type: .AVI (Video Clip)
Process: When I'm at the DVD- Video Menu sub screen I lower My Bit Rate to 1,691 ( the lowest it will let me go) the Resolution is set to 720 x 480 ( CCIR - 601 D1)
The Encoding Mode is at HQ (2 pass VBR) The Video Format MPEG-2 ( cant change)
The Audio Format Dolby Digital (AC-3) 2.0 .
Then there is a 4 to 5 hour Transcoding . where it tells me the file is still to big .
Now I don't under stand?

My next step is to get DVD-9 but I know you can burn to a DVD -5 Because I have tons of them that something else burnt but now that I have a Burner I'd like to do it Myself. Maybe I'm still missing a step . Forgive me for taking so long to figure this out and asking so much from you all . thank you .

Sleepless January 12th, 2009 01:42 AM

There should be an option to fit to disc. Use that instead of trying to pick the bitrate yourself. Nero will transcode to use the full disc capacity unless the file is to small, which this one isn't.

Remoc January 12th, 2009 03:47 AM

After Converting a 1.37 gb AVI, The VOB will be somewhere around 6-7 gb's. You will have to split onto two disc, unless you want Horrible quality.

A 700 - 800 mb AVI usually converts to 4 - 5 gigs. A blank DVD-R is 4.7gb's which you'll only be able to get a little over 4 gigs on the disc.

This is just my experience. I don't use Nero so I'm just going off of the program I use.

lengoldstein January 12th, 2009 09:10 AM

One thing I have to say for you, enigma--you don't give up easily. OK, at last we have some actual names and numbers to work with. Although Gnutella doesn't permit the mention of copyrighted works, I happened to read your msg last night before it was edited and managed to d/l the same exact 1.37GB DEVISE AVI file of, er, "Zachary Zipper." I then set it up for transcoding on my Nero 7 version of Nero Vision, v. 4.9.7.6. You are using Nero Vision 4, right?

Here's where it gets weird. Although Remoc is right that large AVI files yield large VOBs (after all, Zachary Zipper is close to 3 hours long), my NV4 can easily fit it onto a standard-size DVD. With the Quality setting at Automatic (fit to disc) it selects a bit rate of about 3470 kbit/s, which yields "Average" quality at 4.37GB used out of 4.38GB available. I found no limitation if I wanted to lower the bit rate below 1691 kbit/s. 1691 kbps results in the usage of only 2.31GB, but there's no point in going that low, since the result will really look lousy. You're quite correct BTW in holding the resolution to 720 x 480, since lower-res will also look lousy. As you say, video format is fixed at MPEG-2, and the only other variable is Encoding mode. You might try changing it to Fast Encoding (1-Pass), though that shouldn't change the physical size of the file, but at least you'll find out sooner that it won't fit.

There's only one item left to check--what DVD capacity are you using? There are three DVD size settings on NV4's Select Menu: DVD-9 (double layer, 7.95GB), DVD (the standard DVD-5, 4.38GB), and DVD-1 (8 cm) (teeny little 3" disk, 1.30GB). If by any chance you are set on DVD-1, that would be your problem, as you should be set to DVD.

Sorry, that's all I could come up with. You could always convert the resulting oversize Nero NRG file to an ISO with UltraISO and then shrink that down to DVD-5 size with DVDShrink, as I suggested in an earlier post, but that seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Good luck!

Lenny

Peerless January 12th, 2009 04:03 PM

so your saying that you took a 1.37GB file avi file and transcoded it at a bitrate of 3470 kbits/sec and got it to only take up 4.37GB?...IC....well, I don't have that exact file, but I do know that I had to edit out a bit of a movie I recently transcoded to fit on a disc (the size of the source file is 702MB)....I just put it into Nero7 Ultra and as opposed to editing out that tad of data, I chose to let Nero reduce the quality to long play (3382 kbits/sec) and it went from 4.45GB to 3.1GB...this says to me that a 1.37 GB file is going to show ~ the same resultant file size reduction (~30%), which make it transcode to about 6.1GB...enigma should either take the time to split the file (which can cause the sound to get out of sync if not done properly) or burn to a DVD9 disc if his player will support that format of a burned disc (I have one player that will, and another that won't)

lengoldstein January 12th, 2009 06:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Peerless (Post 336102)
...I chose to let Nero reduce the quality to long play (3382 kbits/sec) and it went from 4.45GB to 3.1GB...this says to me that a 1.37 GB file is going to show ~ the same resultant file size reduction (~30%), which make it transcode to about 6.1GB

It's not always a simple 1:1 correspondence--depending on what codecs were used in the original AVI file and other factors, I suppose, different files can be compressed by different amounts. Despite your calculations, I have just finished successfully burning that 1.37GB AVI file, with no edits and compressed at 3470 kbit/s (actually I just had Nero Vision fit it to disk automatically, and that's what it took), onto a 4.37GB DVD-5, so it can be done. Just when you think you know Nero, it hands you another surprise.

BTW, I recommend using Nero's quality setting "Automatic (fit to disk)" rather than choosing long play/extended play etc., because that way Nero will set the maximum bitrate possible, leading to better-looking results.

Sleepless January 12th, 2009 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by lengoldstein (Post 336077)
Here's where it gets weird. Although Remoc is right that large AVI files yield large VOBs (after all, Zachary Zipper is close to 3 hours long), my NV4 can easily fit it onto a standard-size DVD. With the Quality setting at Automatic (fit to disc) it selects a bit rate of about 3470 kbit/s, which yields "Average" quality at 4.37GB used out of 4.38GB available. I found no limitation if I wanted to lower the bit rate below 1691 kbit/s. 1691 kbps results in the usage of only 2.31GB, but there's no point in going that low, since the result will really look lousy. You're quite correct BTW in holding the resolution to 720 x 480, since lower-res will also look lousy. As you say, video format is fixed at MPEG-2, and the only other variable is Encoding mode. You might try changing it to Fast Encoding (1-Pass), though that shouldn't change the physical size of the file, but at least you'll find out sooner that it won't fit.

While using fit to disc.

If the file will fit using 1-pass (I don't see why it wouldn't), then it will also fit using 2-pass with much better variable encoding, thus keeping fast action sequences at a higher bit rate, while letting slow action sequences slip into lower bit rate.

Which is why I highly recommend using 2-pass encoding.

One thing I really don't get though is why someone would download an AVI for the sole purpose of transcoding to DVD. Just download the DVD and skip the process of encoding.

lengoldstein January 12th, 2009 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleepless (Post 336135)
If the file will fit using 1-pass (I don't see why it wouldn't), then it will also fit using 2-pass with much better variable encoding, thus keeping fast action sequences at a higher bit rate, while letting slow action sequences slip into lower bit rate.

Which is why I highly recommend using 2-pass encoding.

One thing I really don't get though is why someone would download an AVI for the sole purpose of transcoding to DVD. Just download the DVD and skip the process of encoding.

There's no question that 2-pass yields results superior to 1-pass. However, I wasn't recommending 1-pass to shrink the file size. As I said, "You might try changing it to Fast Encoding (1-Pass), though that shouldn't change the physical size of the file, but at least you'll find out sooner that it won't fit." enigma257 had complained that it took 4-5 hours of encoding before he was informed that the transcoded file was too big, and 1-pass would at least get him the results sooner.

As to why he'd download an AVI instead of the DVD, some videos are too new or old or rare to be out on DVD, and many ISPs charge by the number of GBs downloaded or even slow down accounts that download over a certain amount per month. My own ISP, Comcast, has a 250GB monthly bandwidth limit.

Sleepless January 13th, 2009 11:19 AM

While I can't remember the exact filename, I feel pretty confident that a DVD is out of the same file. This was not too new or old.... Pretty much there is no such thing as too new as the group will need a source to make the encode.

I very much doubt he is using the right settings as I have never heard of anyone using fit to disc and the finished result not fitting. Either that or the DVD-r disc being used sucks.

A 250GB download limit is quite nice. Lots of people are more unfortunate.

I can't remember the last time I transcoded .avi to DVD to be honest. I just connect my Laptop to the TV and Stereo and viola ;)

lengoldstein January 13th, 2009 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Sleepless (Post 336176)
Pretty much there is no such thing as too new as the group will need a source to make the encode.

I was referring to a screener posted only as an AVI, which he was trying to encode. Since "Zachary Zipper" is currently playing at a theater near you, it is indeed too new to have had a commercial DVD release.
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Originally Posted by Sleepless (Post 336176)
I very much doubt he is using the right settings as I have never heard of anyone using fit to disc and the finished result not fitting. Either that or the DVD-r disc being used sucks.

I agree; the only way I could approximate his problem was by changing the DVD capacity to a DVD-1, and I did warn him to check that Nero wasn't set on that. Maybe he thought DVD-1 meant "fit onto one DVD."
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A 250GB download limit is quite nice. Lots of people are more unfortunate.

True, and I'm not complaining; someone who needs to d/l more than one DVD per day should look seriously into getting a life. But if your ISP has more draconian limits you may well decide to d/l the AVI file and invest a couple of hours at home transcoding and burning it to a DVD (assuming you need DVDs because you're not fortunate enough to have a laptop with a large HD that hooks up to the TV and stereo), rather than use up your precious bandwidth GBs.

Sleepless January 13th, 2009 01:47 PM

You are right about there not being a DVDr source in this case... well not released at least. .mov source for the encode.

But this is highly uncommon. That .mov source would normally be DVD source.

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Peerless January 15th, 2009 06:30 PM

Nero7 does not have an automatic fit to disc feature as you are describing lengoldstein.

you have to go into the video options and choose custom and choose a specific bitrate....the only automatic feature is to prompt one that the transcoded file won't fit and to choose long or extended play....

lengoldstein January 15th, 2009 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Peerless (Post 336313)
Nero7 does not have an automatic fit to disc feature as you are describing lengoldstein.

you have to go into the video options and choose custom and choose a specific bitrate....the only automatic feature is to prompt one that the transcoded file won't fit and to choose long or extended play....

I assume that you received Nero Vision 4 as part of Nero 7, and NV4 does indeed have automatic fit to disc (NV3 didn't, maybe that's what you're thinking of). A quick look on Google should provide you with several examples. Here's one I found in 5 seconds:Archive: Nero Vision 4 DVD Authoring Guide | Articles - Digital Digest

Peerless January 16th, 2009 06:25 PM

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[dripping sarcasm]wow...thanks for teaching me about how to use Google[/dripping sarcasm]

dunno about that guide as my version of Nero7 Unltra(which has version 4.1.0.15 of Nero Vision) does not have that option (which makes me wonder about the veracity of that guide)

here's my screenshot from my machine, lets see yours...

lengoldstein January 16th, 2009 09:43 PM

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[dripping sarcasm] wow...thanks for teaching me about how to use Google[/dripping sarcasm]
dunno about that guide as my version of Nero7 Unltra(which has version 4.1.0.15 of Nero Vision) does not have that option (which makes me wonder about the veracity of that guide)

Ooh, yuck, someone's been dripping sarcasm all over my monitor. Now where's the Windex?

Um, I'm trying to say this without sounding sarcastic, Peerless, but it looks as if you've had the Automatic function all the time. It's in that little box on your screen shot labeled "Quality setting: Automatic" (kinda tricky, I know). It looks as if all Nero did between your v.4.1.0.15 and my 4.9.7.6 in the Video Options area was make a few cosmetic changes to the menu, including adding the words "fit to disc" to the dialog box. Maybe it wasn't quite clear to everyone what Nero meant by Automatic.

If I'm not mistaken (and you can easily check on Google, ha ha), Nero allows free upgrades within each version, so you could get an upgrade to 4.9.7.6, the final version of NV4, by logging on to Nero - Nero 7 - Update and downloading Nero 7.11.10.0. I think you have to download the entire suite rather than individual programs. Just be sure you have your original serial number, because I think it's needed for installation. Good luck!

Lenny

Peerless January 17th, 2009 04:46 PM

using the automatic function with my version does not fit to disc...as I stated previously it only gives an error when the resultant VOB file is too large and gives the option to reduce quality to long play to fit....

guess I need to see if I can find a later update for nero7, which might be a tad difficult these days..

lengoldstein January 17th, 2009 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Peerless (Post 336416)
using the automatic function with my version does not fit to disc...as I stated previously it only gives an error when the resultant VOB file is too large and gives the option to reduce quality to long play to fit....

guess I need to see if I can find a later update for nero7, which might be a tad difficult these days..

That's a bummer...but I can attest fit-to-disk works perfectly in my version. It shouldn't be hard to get the latest upgrade for your Nero7; just click on the link I gave, Nero - Nero 7 - Update, enter your email address (required), and click on "Download," and you're off to the races.

Sleepless January 18th, 2009 01:51 AM

will it still be Nero 7 Premium once updated? If I remember correctly there were differences between versions when I bought it i.e. Premium had features that Ultra didn't etc.

Email address works (I checked that already)

lengoldstein January 18th, 2009 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Sleepless (Post 336447)
will it still be Nero 7 Premium once updated? If I remember correctly there were differences between versions when I bought it i.e. Premium had features that Ultra didn't etc.

Dang, man, you sure ask a lot of questions about a gift horse. Well, I'm pretty sure that the online download version doesn't come with the nifty gift wrapping that says "World's Greatest Dad," but beyond that I make no guarantees. It's been a while since I did my own update, but I think it may have been possible to update individual programs within the suite. All I can say for sure is that no one has ever referred to a program in Nero 7 and I check and say, "Hey! Why don't I have that?" I suppose that once they're trying to sell you v. 9 it doesn't make much sense to continue distinguishing between 7 Premium and 7 Ultra.

What I can warn you against from bitter experience is installing the free OEM version of 8 or 9 that comes with a DVD writer. I did that once. It uninstalled my Nero 7 Premium or Ultra, whatever--let's call it Complete, shall we?--and put in a crippled version of Nero 8 Express that was missing half of Nero's features--the good half, IMHO. And you wouldn't believe the fight it put up when I tried to reinstall Nero 7 Complete (fortunately, I had moved the v.7 install files beforehand to a directory named NeroVII on another drive, so it didn't find and delete them). I still have the scars from that battle. See this big gash on my hard drive?


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