Xolox is fine.
In LimeWire there is a feature where you can set up
how many files a user must share not to be a freeloader.
You can deny download requests by freeloaders if you set
"allow freeloaders" to rarely.

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I don't want to argue the fact, that LimeWire is the best gnutella client ever, but Freeloader blocking probably doesn't quite work as you think it does...

Who has an active site with *current* stats that are even remotely accurate? ....until then all anyone is doing is throwing stats out none of us can confirm to be the present truth. I am also leaning toward the 66% sharing at least 100mb - but I don't know for sure so *shrug*

Anywho, as far as 'freeloading' goes it is always going to be a problem and if a user doesn't want to share that badly - they won't.
Some things that help the sharing ratio are to do prompt during install if you would like to share files and do an automatic search. And additionally every file you download should automatically become shared to the network. There are many other things, but its up the the user and client to make sharing painless and automatic.

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Hello!

Yes it is true that it is hard to find accurate statistics.The article often reffered to on many places is now over 8 months old and does not represent the present situation at all.It is estimated that the Gnutella network grows about 7% each month so it is hard do an accurate estimation.I do not even think that the Gnutella developers themselves really knows any more exactly how large the network has become because with the more recent implimentations to the Gnutella architechture it is hard to get a horizon that is large enough to do that kind of estimates.What might be even harder to know about is exactly how many people that are sharers and how many are freeloaders.But you can make qualified guesses and I share about 14Gigs and over 5000 files and by looking at the number of IP's under the Monitor tab in LimeWire (which is the client that I use) that get the File Not Found message from me I have concluded that about 40% gets that message and fails to download from me wich means about 400 attempts out of a 1000 and since I have set the limit to 20 files which someone needs to share in order to be able to download from me I would estimate that atleast 60% of the Gnutella users do share 20 files or more and since most people usually shares music files and the average size of a mp3 file is about 3.5MB it means in average that these 60% share about 3.5X20=70MB of files.This is ofcourse just guesses but it seems pretty accurate to me when comparing to some other data on various news sites(I have forgotten the specific addresses sorry).

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KayaMan, you are right. We can't know how big a percentage share and not. But since I have mostly used KaZaA-Lite, I know this. Pretty often I use the "Find more files" on users that download from me. And it's usually large files, not MP3. And in most of those cases, they don't share. So I'm speaking on behalf of "my own statistics". And what I see is what I believe

Anyway, I can't stand freeloaders. And since XoloX doesn't have any "protection" from this at all, Limewire is my next option I guess. Any of you used Direct Connect by the way? How is it? What network/type of sharing does it use?

Thanks for the input from everyone.

Greetings from Olav

Gnutella allows for creating very accurate statistics. I know LimeWire has Gigs of data on that topic (although not in a presentable form).

PONG messages, broadcast to the network contain number of files shared and the size of files shared.

QUERYHIT messages contain an indicator if the host has successfully completed an upload in this session.

It's actually very simple to use those messages to create those statistics you want.

Who the hell has 20 gigs worth of crap? I have 2 gigs tops and I have broadband, I just don't use that much.

10 or 20 gig minimums are ridicuolous, I wouldn't expect anyone to waste that much HD room so they could waste more.

-mike

i also have broadband, and i share more than 30 gigs of multimedia. mp3's, mpegs, avi's, all fo this takes room, and i like having it because i am supporting the place where i got it all from, p2p. More power to p2p, and less freeloaders.

Freeloaders will always be around. there is no way to get around them. Even if you were able to use a block sooner or later someone would find a way to bypass it. There is no true way of fighting them either. Most freeloaders are not going to even bother to use a forum like this except to insult people. Do you think they really care that they are freeloading, because they don't. All they think is, "Hey! I got me this file, ahuh, ahuh!" If they are too selfish to share their files they what makes anyone belive that they care what they are thought of.

As for the 20gigs thing, I am willing to bet there are several out there who have this much alone in a computer. It is not unlikely for this to be true, however there are just as many who do not have that much and still are sharing what they do have. Personally I have no ****ing clue how much I have but I have put all but my extremely personal stuff up for sharing(ie family pictures,programs with personal information) and I am going through my computer looking for anything I might have missed.
But to deny access to someone who has a limited amount of files available but to take from them is almost as bad as freeloading. You are in a way doing the exact same thing to them as the freeloaders are doing to you now.

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What? They're suppose to look that way! They're not the result of a tragic farming accident?

I think everyone dances to the beat of a different drummer. I share over 10+ gigs and frankly I don't want to know who is freeloading and who isn't. I'd like to think that Xolox has a good community of people and being paranoid about who is leaching and who isn't requires too much energy from me.

I lived in an international house in Japan for two years and we had one computer shared by all. Our landlord had hired an egotistical computer tech who kept track of what was on the computer if he didn't put it on there he'd delete it immediately and the landlord would fine us for abusing the computer. These were back in the days of Napster and the very beginnings of Bearshare and as much as I would have liked to share the files I downloaded, I didn't have a choice. Though I know not everyone is in that position I was, I can't be bothered to get worked up about it.

I'm sure there are some people who are simply scared that the RIAA or some law enforcement agency is going to go after them just for sharing something, I don't know, I will simply continue to share and support the p2p community because its such a great way to share and I'm happy to see people downloading from me and hopefully appreciating whatever file they download.


Wolf

im Sharing 989 MB !

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Kohansujimichi,

Thats great! 900+ is a lot. Don't let it get you down If I had more drive space and knowledge of what people wanted I'd throw all my cds directly on my hard drive. If you're only sharing a single file you're involving yourself in the great community of p2p file sharing. Good on you, I'd buy you a beer if I knew where you were Its important for all of us to have courage and take care of someone who shares even a single file so our community will grow in strength which I think is wonderful.

I've used a lot of p2p programs and I will tell you, and Team Xolox, that it is thanks to them that I've been influenced enough to involve myself here, I think its wonderful. Had Xolox never existed I can say honestly I'd be another Unregistered user or not a user at all

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I have over 400 Diffferent Music Files Im sharing then the Rest are progs Document's and VIDEOS !!! some r Pics too !

also Im not Old Enough to Drink but don't Tell any one )

Also Soon My Anime Studio Im prt of will have some Files on its Site but We just got the Domain- www.Studio-sweet-sentiments.com

As I see it, the real problem is people see file-sharing networks as a repository they can tap in to get some files and then disconnect! (Kind of like visiting a web of ftp site.)

This behaviour counts for the most leeching imho.

The are several reasons for ppl to behave like this;
- bandwidth considerations (upload limits opposed by their provider)
- resource considerations (not using their PC, or being online 24/7)
- social considerations (unwilling to return the favor of sharing)

All these problems need their own specific solution, which I can't even begin to tackle.

This post is merely to create some awareness to the underlying problems. Any comments?

I agree, because that's how I see it and use it. I see or hear a song somewhere and I'll try to find it. I'm not a leech I share what I have when I'm online but definately all the fileheads that want to restrict D/L to who they feel is worthy of getting what they have ruin the p2p experience for me. This is file sharing and to those who have thousands of files in their collection let me ask at who's bandwidth expense did they manage to get all those files?

Maybe it's time they stopped being on a power trip because they have such a large collection and realize that it's time to give a little back!