Bearshare forum shows racism
 

The "promotion" of Evil Bear shows that www.bearshare.net is clearly rewarding racist remarks made against German ppl.

Some highly visible (ie the first post in the thread) remarks were edited out as a PR measure, but many many other racist remarks were allowed to remain.

If bearshare.net is truly trying to discourage racism, then Evil Blood should have been banned - instead he is "promoted".

Hi God!

You don´t know Vinnie very long? Ask the people on other sites what they think about Mr. Vincent Falco!

I better don´t repeat it!

Morgwen

* offtopic *

I wonder you are registered but post as a guest!?!?

Re: Bearshare forum shows racism
 

Hi God.  "Evil Blood" wasn't promoted, he just had his status say something other than 'Bear'.  I was a little surprised myself at that, but he's not being rewarded!

Also, the editing wasn't for PR, it was because the remarks were extremely racist, and fortunately a Moderator saw it and took it out.

There are only two Mods at BearShare.net, one with a full time job and family, and the other one is in school.  They're unable to spend a lot of time sifting through every post in every forum to edit other racist remarks, along with the other things they must keep track of.  If you know of any, please help them out by reporting the posts by clicking the "Alert" link found in every post.

Thanks! :)

Brotaris!

The attacks started in the poll Vinnie raised... so Vinnie don´t know what is going on in his threads he started?

And God is right many posts are not edited yet!

And how you explain the "evil bear"?

Morgwen

P.S.:

And Vinnies Staff can edit posts too... so at least 4 or 5 people with mod rights are on bearshare.net!

Morgwen

Hi Morgwen,

I can't explain the "Evil Bear" status, except that maybe the guy asked to have that put there.  In this forum I see that Moak is called "Java & Milk Drinker".  How do you explain that?  Was he rewarded for something?

The BearShare staff may have mod rights, but they rarely do it.  They're busy with development and other business tasks.  Becker and someone else (not sure who) does almost all of the moderating there, so it's hard for two people to keep up with it all.

Whenever you see a post that offends you, just click the "Alert" link in the post.  The moderators will get an email message about it and check it out.

Brotaris!

This I explain very easy! Everyone can change his status here...

Look in the member list!

its your free choice... on bearshare.net only the admi Vinnie and his staff can change the status!

The explaination for "evil bear" is easy...

Evil defended Vinnie and perhaps he asked him (or Vinnie offered him!) but this was a reward for his attacks against me!

This is bad public relation for bearshare.net, as Vinnies poll is too!

Morgwen

Since i just got back on my computer i havent spent much time one bearshare.net yet. Has any one tryed changing thier status over there? maybe Sam [stafff] turned on this option or forgot to change it when he was updating the fourms. I will be over there looking in to this. I am sorry i do not read ever post over at bearshare.net, unlike these fourms i am a mod for a dozen or so fourms. and yes i have school keeping me from modding.. :(

:)
Becker

Yes. I checked it out tryed to change it but i cant. I messaged Vinnie he changed it cause he was asked to. So i asked mine to be changed to Racer X :)
Becker

Becker!

Who is the Threadmaster? I think it is Vinnie too...

or not?

Morgwen

oboy
 

:rolleyes: ya don't know the half of it. :rolleyes:

ya
 

hhmmmm. lemme msg him and ask to be "Allah". Don't think he'll respond to lesser mortals tho (aka non-mods, non-vips)

vinnie
 

Morgwen!

Why do you add a "!" to evevryone's name?? :D

Threadmaster(bater) sez he's working as a network admin and comes home at 11 PM and starts posting after 12 PM.

However, seeing his post timings, this looks unlikely - unless he lives in the Azores.

Ppl have speculated before that TM is Vinnie.

PS: How many posts before I can change the "junior member" to something else?

Re: vinnie
 

Hey God!

Vinnie is the admi... he is the boss...

I think the threadmaster is not only Vinnie...

but read the thread about censorship in the brawl...

This was sure a statement from Vinnie...

never seen one of his staff flaming... and Becker is only a moderator... I Know about the rights of a moderator...

Vinnie is hiding behind the TM identy like a coward!

Morgwen

Re: Re: vinnie
 

Look! im getting sick of all this childish behavor [sorry about spelling] but its getting out of hand. I told vinnie this as well. If you both just can let your differnces and problems go then you both have some growing up to do {as i reflect on that statment i think of war and how adults can not let things go. so maybe you two should be kids again and let things go. i dont know....} and if you can not let things go then do not invole the world. Thank you morgwen i believe that you will drop this, and i hope vinnie reads this as well. He knows he is a bussiness owner and shouldnt conduct him self in such a manor.. but thats how it is... so i thank you.

Becker

Re: vinnie
 

I believe the facts are slightly wrong here.  TM's actual words can be seen here: http://www.bearshare.net/forum/showt...&pagenumber=3, posted on November 26, 2001.
The time he posted is irrelevent since everyone sees the time according to their own time zone, and if he posts on his days off then that affects the timing of posts as well.  Anyway, here's a direct quote from the thread:

Notice he didn't say he's a network admin, he said IA tech support.  And his posts do reflect certain times of the day that match up with his claimed work schedule, though I can't figure what time zone he's in.

Re: Re: Re: vinnie
 

Becker!

I will drop it but only if he apologizes to me... in public...

he started the flame war against me...

I am free... free to tell my opinion...

and I will sure tell my opinion about him...

I cannot drop something I didn´t start... I have nothing to loose...

and he has a company to loose so who is the stupid one?

Becker I know you are not Vinnie, but the day will come that you have to decide between Vinnie/bearshare and your opinion...

bearshare was a product that was supporting worth, but with such a crazy developer... he thinks only about how to make money... but not what the people think about him...

so I think more people will leave bearshare... and I will tell them to go... Vinnie is no supporting worth... and you and the other VIPs should think about it... if you support bearshare you support Vinnie... do you really want to support Vinnie with such behaviors?

And bearshare.net is Vinnie too... I know you are a moderator there and doing a good job... but bearshare.net is censorship too... if Vinnie don´t want to hear something *edit*... do you really think that is the right way? I think all problems must be discussed...

Limewire for example... they made a fault, but they are hearing to the suggestions I made... and they will change a few things in future - yes such developers are supporting worth...

And not Vinnie... you are only a "good" beasharer if you use the spytools and shut up! Bua... I am no bearsharer anymore and I will continue to telling the truth about Vinnie...

Becker I don´t want to fight against you or one of the other VIPs, because I know your feelings... I felt the same a few weeks ago... but the day will come... you will remember my words...

Perhaps its childish from me but he offend me to often and I am no man who forgets fast!

Morgwen

Kath!

I am sorry but, the wound is deep... I have to find the right way...

but ignoring Vinnie is not the way I want to go!

Morgwen

Thank you Kath! :)

Morgwen

you make many good points Morgwen. Im trying to think of a product that i like but the creater is an *******. The only product that i can think of is Windows. We all know Bill gates is not a nice person and a slave driver. But yet the product [usally] is not that bad. Im not sure if its true but hitler created the Volts wagon [dont even tell me thats wrong spelling becuase i know] if he didnt create it he was a part of it no? Once again im not sure if thats true. Either way i really like those kinda cars but i dont support hitler.. you know what i mean?
Becker

Becker!

first Hitler created nothing... only disater...

VW Volkswagen is a company like Ford...

you cannot compare this...

If you drive a car or you support him directly as you do...

You sell his product with your support...

Its a differnce to "use" bearshare or to "support" bearshare...

you support bearshare so you support Vinnie...

I thought the same way as you...

I thought I support bearshare and not Vinnie...

but all I have supported the whole time was Vinnie...

because Vinnie is unable to keep the peace alive... this is necessary for a community, necessary for improvements... but Vinnie thinks about making money not about improving the community... many people left, because Vinnie is an idiot... some good programmers were between them... like Moak...

a community needs fair discussions for improvents, "real" improvents not only the prog has to be improved... also the community has to... and bearshare is one of the worst communities in the Gnutella net - I don´t wonder a troll always seeks for trolls - are you a troll Becker? I think not...

but Becker who you support is only your choice...

Morgwen

Vinnie aka TM
 

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Originally posted by God

However, seeing his post timings, this looks unlikely - unless he lives in the Azores.

Ppl have speculated before that TM is Vinnie.
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Brotaris -
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I believe the facts are slightly wrong here. TM's actual words can be seen here: http://www.bearshare.net/forum/show...0&pagenumber=3, posted on November 26, 2001.

The time he posted is irrelevent since everyone sees the time according to their own time zone,
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quote:
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Originally posted by Threadmaster

, getting home around 1 a.m. to poke my head in this .... *cough* ... community for an hour or so. Then I usually sleep until around 9 a.m.,
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Thanx Bro, for the coaching about time zones. FYI, I use GMT as my default time setting.

I went back to TM's post, the time there (in GMT) is - 11-26-2001 04:36 AM.

Now, TM sez he gets "home around 1 a.m. to poke my head in this .... *cough* ... community for an hour or so"

If he made this post at 1AM local time, then his time zone was approx 3hrs behind GMT. Which puts him in -

a- Atlantic ocean
b- Greenland
c- Brasilia or eastern brazil.

US EST (eastern standard time) is 5 hrs behind GMT.

Re: Vinnie aka TM
 

Is TM really Vinnie?

The other thing which makes ppl talk is that TM gets to be a mod with a thread count of less than 20 posts!!

At the time he made those above posts, he had exactly 11 posts to his credit! Could such a inexperienced person be allowed to become a mod? NO, unless, unlesss... "he" was actually vinne or someone on the staff.

That combined with his time zone discrepencies and his vinnie-like opinions, seems to indicate that they are both the same person.

yah so the hitler thing was BS another lie in my life :(
But you didnt talk about microsoft. I support microsoft but not bill gates.
GOOD POINTs!! I have talked to vinnie, money didnt seem to be a big topic we when talked. where for did he go on and on about money? Bearshare almost when bankrupt when Onflow screwed them over and i think since then he is/was worried. i dont blame him about that, he left his old programming job to run BS full time. but money shouldnt be the only thing.

Who is Moak? how can i talk to them? I program C++ [well turbo c++ i want to program VC++] and i love to talk to programmers for help or tips. that is if they dont mind.

I read the GDF well i use to. there was to much aruging about what is best for the network that i stop reading them. Vinnie was not a major debater when i was reading the GDF but that might of changed. Will such a large group of people ever come to an agreement on one thing that is best for the network? if so what about the billion other things? :)

Why is Bearshare the worst community on the network? and you lost me with your troll statment.. is it a german thing? :)

last but least. Yes this community needs good converstaions on how to help the network.. why is this thread here? :)
Becker

Re: Also
 

Yeah! It used to say "moderator" at first. After reading you, I went and looked, and like you said, it's gone.

So is he still a mod or what? Beck? any input?

Re: Re: Also
 

My input? My name isnt beck :)
Becker

Re: Vinnie aka TM
 

Actually there is an Atlantic time zone - Nova Scotia, Canada, which is one hour ahead of Eastern and 4 hours behind GMT, depending on the time of year (Daylight Savings vs. Standard time).

Re: Re: Also
 

Actually, Threadmaster has never had any status written under his name.

GMT -03:00
 

I'm on GMT -03:00 too...

could be my neighbour, who knows? :D

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Moak - look at the top 10 list here... he posted also on bearshare.net...

Why bearshare is the worst community??? Becker do really think that all problems are discussed "free" on bearshare.net? And you have seen the statements against people who tell there opinion...

On bearshare.de we heard all voices and discussed them... some people stayed and some people are gone but the community was excellent, we never lied, hide or censored something...

We discussed openly the pro and contra... we discussed other filesharing progs too... this is a community... do you really think all "bearshare" user use only bearshare??? Becker the most people use more than one sharing prog, but if you tell this on bearshare.net you are a traitor or troll! Thank you Vinnie!

And if you want to know what a troll is... Vinnie knows this he called me so... so this is no German thing...

Why is this post here?

Do you really belive then "I" post the thread on bearshare.net that this is a really good idea? I have seen the last time what Vinnie and his knights are thinking about critic...

And in this forum here we have no censorship, and no threads are moved to a hidden forum...

And for your Microsoft support... how do you support Microsoft? Are you a developer? Do you sell Microsoft products? Do you moderate a Microsoft forum? Or do you use it "only"?

As I said supporting and using are two worlds...

Morgwen

Mowgren,

Although BearShare is a useful tool, having to deal with Vinnie's idiotic nonsense makes it more trouble than its worth. Since BearShare and Vinnie are inextricably linked, the best way to mitigate Vinnie's counterproductive crap is to use a different Gnutella client.

Just look at the forums for the other clients. There the dialog is devoid of the bitterness and flame wars which waste so much time and energy in BearShare forums.

I noticed that your have your own site at BearShare.de, a great contribution to the Gnutella community. Why not put a section on your site to help BearShare users transition to a Vinnie/spyware free Gnutella client? I'm sure there are a lot of users out there who would appreciate such a resource. Perhaps even post some reviews of different clients, if you have the time?

Thanks for all you have done to promote Gnutella and help the community!

Yes that is exatly what I have done!

I swithed the client! And I stoped the support in the bearshare forum here and on bearshare.de...

We had supported the people deleting the ads... you cannot compare bearshare.net and bearshare.de... because there are differrents side admis!

And I waste my time only to proove that I am not the bad guy!

For Vinnie it is easy he moves the threads, or delete them as he wants... tell his wolves that I am troll and...

but I am telling the truth, Vinnie started the flame war... on this site here... and now he wants respect on his site? Where is his respect?

A good bearsharer is only who use all ads and shut up? Please don´t tell us your opinion... please don´t tell us some negative? If you do you will be kicked?

Hey I supported bearshare for 8 months... without any critic or something else... than I tested some other progs... they all had features we are waiting for so long in bearshare... and the most progs are without spyware... adn I started to tell my opinion about this... yes my personal opinion - Vinnie don´t want to hear it and started the flames against me... and I am only a human and I flamed back last week... and now I am troll? Now I am a traitor? Because I told my opinion?

No I wasted 8 months in supporting bearshare...

And I will defend "my name"... I am no liar... I never was... and I don´t want that Vinnie and his trolls write such ctrap against me!

The bearshare user should know the truth... they should know both opinions... and than they can see who is the liar...

Funny that the most people belive me... so who is the idiot?

I have nothing to loose... Vinnie has to loose a company!

So I would think about dropping all this, if Vinnie apologizes in public for his flames against me! But I think this he will never do...

As I said the wasted time was my support for bearshare and not the last days...

Morgwen

P.S.:

The review think is a good idea! I started something like this on bearshare.de, perhaps I should proceed here...

You know..
 

I havent had a good agrugment for a long time, even though im not really agruging yet. I support MS by buying the product and i do send back feedback along with errors. if i could mod, develope, or test for MS i surly would. maybe one day i will.

I would go check out BS.DE but i dont know german :(.
You talk of spy ware/ and ads i dont know where the ad thing came from. But i only installed onflow once[after it was non forced} to test an uninstall program one of the programmers made. i never liked the 3rd party products my self. they have alot of bugs with many systems. so i dont install them.

About censorship... there is very little. I havent edited more then 2 post in the last 2 weeks. I do check post to see who has messed with them. and the text feild is usally blank. But me not editing post leads for flame wars. i often wanted to shut down the public fourms because its to hard to desicide weather or not to edit post.

Many of people talk of other clients in bearshare. I talk with other users and review clients. usally it is limewire. :)

Becker :)

Try using a translator, such as world.altavista.com or www.translate.ru.

With the forums, you will need to enter the URL (http://www.bear-share.de/cgi-bin/bea...ultimatebb.cgi) directly into the translator. For some reason, the forums are not translated when the "Forums" link on the homepage is selected.

Sometimes the time the text is quite understandable, but often the translation is less than perfect. Even so, since the translation is into the viewer's preferred language, he or she can usually get some idea of what is being said.

Mowgren, maybe you could put the translator links on the bearshare.de home page?

I find bearshare.de to be very useful. The forums are useful, without the detrimental bitterness and animosity found in the Gnutellium and bearshare.net.

Re: You know..
 

Becker!

Do heard something about "save now" or new.net? And now there is a new ad, too (don´t remember the name!). This tools are known as spyware! We called them so on bearshare.de, too... but for Vinnie this is a rumour... I saw some threads in the forum false rumours!

About censorship... its hard to decide sometimes... I wonder why the poll was closed??? I don´t know if Vinnie or Threadmaster closed it... but I wonder why, after only three days! And Vinnie said that he deleted offensive threads in the earlier days of bearshare... he is censoring...

I wonder why no message appears, when a post was edited with the name who has edited the post! You cannot edit a post without here and on bearshare.de - and I think this is good so, because the people should now that the post has been edited and the reason why! I saw at least two edited posts on bearshare.net without a statement...

One of them was a post from Kutulus... in this he called pripla a moron... in the bearshare labs forum... you know what happened as I flamed there - Vinnie started the poll against me... and his post was only edited without a message why... not moved into the brawl forum like my posts - I wonder why? Perhaps I am not Kutulus??? Becker I think the same rules for "all" members or I call it censorship...

When I speak about censorship... I think not you are censoring posts... but I a know Vinnie does...

Morgwen

My name is Morgwen (but if you want to call me so its OK! :))...

Thank you! :)

I think we have done a good job there...

Morgwen

you´re dam right...