Immigration Enforcement
 

How many illegal immigrants are in the United States, that would depend on who we ask.

While the majority of illegal immigrants continue to remain in the United States without permission from the government.

In the United States illegal immigrants enter this country and work illegally without a Visa or Green Card.

More illegal immigrants are being force to show proff of their citizenship in America, now that the state of Arizona has crackdown on illegal immigrants.

chain em up and send them packing....I'm tired of competing with illegals who can work for less because they aren't paying taxes...

I'll go one step further...populate the Colorado River with fresh water sharks and toss em back in and let them try to swim back where they came from....

You know, the only non immigrants in America are the Native Americans.

ummm....yeah...

and right back at you, the only natives to your island were long ago exterminated by the Saxons...

why not stay on the exact subject as opposed to blurring it with rather inane concepts...the USA was founded by English speaking people who wrote the Declaration of Independence, The Constitution and the Bill of Rights in ENGLISH...

the subject is ILLEGAL immigrants...now if you are breaking the law are you most likely going to bother paying self employment taxes for your earnings???...NO, and that is plain and simple UNFAIR competition to the legal residents who have the logical fear of the IRS and do pay their taxes...

lets do a simple comparison...an illegal who can earn a wage of $18/hr being a carpenter and not pay taxes can live the same lifestyle as a resident earning $25/hr and pays his/her taxes...that isn't fair competition...simple math that even a blind man can see...

We've had a similar issue over here for many years on a smaller scale obviously. Unscrupulous employers who know the staff do not have work permits & they are under paying. In some cases below the award national minimum wage. And in some cases, the employers have actually been involved in obtaining the persons from overseas to work illegally over here. There are strict guidelines for employers to follow. Unless it's a job area that is known to have a shortage of skilled staff, it is difficult for employers to obtain work permits for overseas persons. Plus they must guarantee various things such as wage amount, work benefits, etc. Illegally obtaining overseas workers means many of those work awards such as holiday pay, sick leave, requirements about relieving staff, etc. go out the window. Such illegal workers have no rights, because if they speak up, they get sent home.

Agree w/Peerless 100%.

On another note, take a look at the disrespect they have for OUR country. This is only a few hundred miles from where I live here in AZ.

Wonder why AZ has had enough? And this is nothing compared to what we have to put up with on a daily basis. :mad2:


YouTube - Recent pictures of our ONCE beautiful sonoran desert

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9iwjitsNyQ

Look guys

I'm not going to get caught up in American (or Australian) politics or domestic issues because people can become emotional and irrational.

However, I will say that I know that most illegals are very desperate people trying to escape from poverty, crime and, in some cases, war. These people are then in turn exploited by human traffickers, organised criminals and unscrupulous employers.

So, rather than hating desperate people, go after the organised criminals and ruthless, tax dodging employers that make all this possible. Because without them, profiting from human misery, you would not have an "illegal immigration" problem.



UK Bob

I agree totally. And there are reasonable punishments if employers here get caught which may slide from heavy fines to jail terms

I forgot to mention in my last post, this is of course an issue that occurs in many countries.

And I also agree, the illegal workers themselves are desperate people, from poverty lands or places where things are not stable.

I guess in places like europe & USA it's easier to 'walk' across the border somehow. Whereas here we have lots of 'well trained' sharks that protect our shores rofl :rofl2: (The White Pointers have a special delicacy for those that drift their way.) :anxious2: JK of course. Since illegal workers here fly in. :angel1: Different to some of the illegal migrants who pay people-smugglers to boat them in from Indonesia after they've usually flown across there. :dracula:

perhaps if the illegals from Mexico stayed where they were they would solve their own problems (instead of stealing my work) and do what the Egyptians are doing right now...hold no illusions, Mexico is corrupt as all hell...they talk about their 'rights' to illegally emigrate to here, yet look at how they treat illegal immigration into their country...seriously, take a look...

all of this talk of really enforcing the laws THAT ARE ALREADY ON THE BOOKS is a complete joke...if we (read the corrupt politicians owned by big business) wanted to stop it, it would be damned easy...just as if we really wanted to stop the drug trafficking it would be real easy...simply declare REAL war and ELIMINATE the problem

about all the current administration wants to do is to offer amnesty to those here illegally to get their votes in the next election cycle...hahahahahah....they might as well pack their bags now because they are going out with their hats ripped off of their heads (and they may be lucky to keep their heads)

While I agree with illegal workers being a big problem, I have to say, that the second link posted by Remoc is a shining example of US propaganda.

I wonder if the maker doesn't see illegal immigration as a big enough problem, because he makes damn sure to chain together Illegals and DRUG SMUGGLERS every chance he/she gets.

P.S. the way to counter them is just to be so much better than they are at everything you do in your field of work. That's what I do.

No, you can't counter them by being the best. Reason being is, my current wage is about $20.00 dollars an hour. They will work for $4.00 or $5.00 dollars an hour. Who do you think the employer is going to use or hire, if it's an option??

Luckily for me, they can't do what I do, so I'm not worried about them competing for my job.

being 'so much better' is not a sure solution...sure, it might just keep you in work, but in the big picture the FACTS I have outlined mean that the general wage rate of a particular field of work gets driven down...simple macro economics...

Outsourcing
 

Remoc

You said:It's quite obvious here that employers are employing illegals, which will no doubt build up into resentment and hatred in the local community. So I've got to ask, where is your local law enforcement to stop this flouting of your laws and this ongoing non-sense. Unlike the UK, you guys can vote for your sheriff (or some such) so why isn't something being done.

I speak as one who's job is likely to be outsourced to India within the next 6 - 12 months, all in the name of paying back the deficit caused by the banks.


Peerless

I reckon you have seen the news that came out of Tunisia and is now coming out of Egypt, i.e. the people out there have had enough of there self serving and corrupt governments.

I guess that you may predict the same thing happening in the US, if it did you would then need martial law to keep the US together and prevent civil disintegration.



UK Bob

you miss a very important point UK...

immigration enforcement is the role of the FEDS...local sheriffs cannot deport people...as I noted in an earlier post, there are already laws about all aspects of immigration that are being totally ignored...

as far as the US...well its all according to how things end up going down...

Sort of gives a bit of emphasis to the mexican 'wave' as they come over the hills. lol :D

We send out our steam powered local patrols to catch the illegal immigrant boats as they attempt to float across from indonesia. :D
It's sort of funny because we have issues with illegal fisherman also. Those from Indonesia .. and other countries also for that matter who come all the way from europe or Sth America or japan, etc. At best our navy can do no more than give them warning shots to make them stop so the navy can board & check them for 'various' purposes.

If a few boats were actually sanctioned to be sunk, heck that would send a strong message to both illegal immigrants & illegal fishermen. And yes, indonesian fisherman even have the cheek to come up & steal our aboriginal sacred shell fish just up the river estuaries. Only the aborigines have permission to touch such shell fish (big punishment for locals to touch them!!'.') Mind-block which ones. But highly valued in Asia. Illegal fishing from other countries is a 'big' issue here.
Asian waters are so over-fished, they come into our waters. It's not because they are starving, it's because they sell their produce to places like China for 'bonus' money.

Well Peerless

As you can imagine, I find it strange that local law enforcement in the US can't enforce the law, regardless of whether it's a national or state law.

I guess that is another cultural difference that does not translate when crossing the Atlantic.


LOTR

As for illegals in Australia, I heard on the news recently that the Australian government was paying Indonesia to take illegals heading by sea for Australia.

Just a thought, though it might be frivolous, has the US ever thought of deporting illegals to one of it's protectorates? (I think there's about 14 but I can't find a definitive list).

Could solve a lot of problems.



UK Bob

Yes Australia has been negotiating with Indonesia re: illegals who have been heading towards Indonesia. Intelligence circles sometimes find out about these planned travels before they even reach Indonesia.

Re: illegal fishermen; some have been known to be armed with both personal guns & bigger weapons. Pirates in a respect. So the navy is always careful.

Birdy probably hears more about these happenings since it's nearer to her.

Re: Mexico's illegals. Something similar could be negotiated between the USA & Mexico. Perhaps Mexico stepping up it's border controls under USA sponsorship.

In the past two years Obama has done more to thwart illegal immigration than Bush did in eight years. (Perhaps Texas needs more pickers than Illinois.)

If we truly protected our borders, how would we get our illicit drugs? Without illicit drugs the world economy would fail.

Interesting to note that in Tunisia, and now in Egypt, the populace did not require any "Second Amendment remedies" to achieve radical change in government. I hope the people of Yemen have a similar experience.

Blackhorse 70

I'm not sure if you were serious when you said:I can't say I believe that but I do know that if "illicit drugs" were completely cut off you would find that organised crime and terrorism would grow to become far more powerful than they are now. Just think what "Prohibition" did for the Mafi@.

LOTR

I just heard on the 7am news that cyclone Yasi is heading towards Queensland, are you affected by it?

BBC News - Queensland evacuations urged ahead of Cyclone Yasi



UK Bob

A few examples:

All of our illicit opiates and cocaine are imported, i.e. smuggled, across our borders. The national demand for those drugs is enormous, requiring huge quantities to come through our ports and border crossings, with the resiquite payola going into various pockets. Once purchased, officials are owned.

This year the DEA, (with its 8,399 staff and 4,146 agents), has requested over $2 billion to fund its "war on drugs" (WOD). (I don't think the drugs will ever surrender.) The $2bil is small when compared to the monies spent by the states on police, courts, incarceration, and drug-related health problems. Add to that the indirect costs of drug-motivated crimes, including burglary, robbery, auto theft, and dealers protecting their own turf or encroaching on another's, (with not a few innocents caught in the cross-fire), in addition to social services and foster care for those whose parents are incarcerated.

Many states have been unable to afford to keep up with the increasing numbers of prisoners, so they are privatizing their prison systems. I'm opposed to that idea only because there is no expectation that the privately-run institutions make any efforts to reduce recidivism (it should be included in their contracts). The largest Political Action Committee in the US is made up of corrections officers.

Keeping track of our WOD requires extensive data collection. When interpreted and used correctly, the data assists in determining where and how to spend our enormous Prevention budgets. Most often, the data is mis-interpreted or ignored, and the ever-changing methods for prevention attest to their ineffectiveness.

For those seeking treatment, there is a huge industry to fulfill their every need, for as much as they think they need to spend to get sober/drug free. While many people require hospitalization during detox, there is normally no reason to spend 28-days in a hospital, other than to max out insurance payments (the 28-days was not based upon empirical clinical evidence; it's the max MediCare would pay).

On the lowest end of the treatment spectrum are the social-model detoxes for public inebriates and drug addicts. They represent the neediest persons in treatment, yet they receive the least help (unlike how we address every other disease). And finally, for those not seeking treatment, the courts often help to keep my fellow counselors employed.

Where do the big bucks go? Wall Street. Any cash transaction involving $10k or more must be reported to the Feds. Unless you want to buy on the Street, where you can bring in a mattress stuffed with $50k, and it's don't ask - don't tell.


Hope you're staying high and dry, Birdy.

Wondering Why is the one up on the Queensland coast. I'm down south.