Ignorant Users
 

I'm sorry, i've been reading this forum for too long - listening to too many seemingly 12 year olds complain and complain. I used to think that ignorance was bliss, but apparently that isn't the case with limewire - so if you're one of the ignorant, i suggest you read this.

1) Its FREE - this means, you do not have to PAY for it. This means the software is a PRIVILEDGE and not a RIGHT. I wonder at what point we started believing that everything was OWED to us for free? Thats not the way the world goes around. So stop posting as if limewire has some huge obligation to you, or some huge debt to repay. Live with the banner ads, they're a small price to pay. Live with the bugs and the changes, they're only the means to the end. And if you want to use some other file sharing program, go ahead, but please stop litering the forums with your empty threats - i'm so tired of hearing "Thats it! I'm done using limewire!" Like anyone really cares.

2) "Version 2.x sucks!" - I think you all first need a little bit of a wake up call on this one. First of all, EVERYONE needs to be using 2.0+ for the system to work. Second, modem user or NOT, the UltraPeer system increases not only the performance, but the scalability of the gnutella network (in case you're still lost, this is good for everyone). People continue to compare the new version to version 1.7 - You're comparing apples to oranges. First and foremost, 2.0+ is set to display ONLY (thats ONLY) 3 and 4 star results, so right away you're cutting down on the number of results that will be returned (thats right folks, try looking through the option settings sometimes). Secondly, unless we all participate in the UltraPeer architecture (and don't all flock back to 1.7 like ignorant lemmings) we all lose out on its benefits. I will concede that there is still some tweaking that needs to be done as far as architecting the linkage between all the UltraPeers, but we're getting there.

3) Its FREE (I thought that needed emphasis)

It's free? I wish I had known that before I sent in my $6. Token payment that this may be, it entitles me to complain when the product I bought does not perform as expected.

I agree
 

The previous gnutella versions tied up tons of bandwith throughout the whole community and internet by daisy-chaining every client together. Once everyone switches over, then it will be all good.
I do think however, that limewire should have arranged for their client to switch over to ultrapeer once the numbers of 2x clients were sufficient. I see most users getting fed up, and not switching to 2x which defeats the whole purpose. Gnutella is full of thankless leeches that are unable to see the whole picture and cry about paying a measly 6 bucks for a version. I do not see the 6 dollars as paying, but rather as a donation. If you do not like it, take your 6 bucks and go buy yourself a meal at mcdonalds.

You can consider it a donation, bot the folks at Limewire consider it a purchase:
http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/pro

Even if you do not pay for limewire, they profit from the banner advertising, so they are getting money for churning out sortware that does not work regardless of whether you pay for it or not. Advertising is a privilage not a right, if they want us to look at the adverts they should at least get the program to work.

That is why people complain, you fool.

Also, limewire should not claim to be as brilliant as it thinks it is, as it clearly is not.

That is also why people moan, you fool.

The 12 year-olds have spoken!

Ah, I see. Any one who disagrees with Chris is 12 years old.
Any one who posts that 2.0 returns a small fraction of the results of previous versions is ignorant.
Gee, how mature is tjhat?

Hey if u guys dont like 2.0 go shut your pie holes and cry somewhere else. Go build your own client and stop your bickering. How many of you can do that, huh? You get free music, free movies, and free software and alls you do is whine. Looks like you can't appreciate anything. Selfish you are.

Older peeps can be ignorant too
 

I'm only 16 but I can grasp the concept of Limewire now.
Yes, they do call it a purchase - that I can agree with but 6 bucks isn't all that bad is it?
I ask you, how much did you pay for your version of windows? Does your version of windows do EVERYTHING it says on the box, i'd think not...
Don't get me wrong here - I'm not one of those young kids that bashes windows but doesn't know any different. In all honesty - I like windows because it does a good job, but the point still remains that it doesn't do EVERYTHING it says on the box.
I used to use computers in the dark days of DOS... Screwing around with ugly and volatile autoexec.bat and config.sys files - the best part of all of that is that it has given me tolerance for computers.
I'm a programmer of Visual Basic and I know how hard it is to keep motivated when you are programming for people who will constantly complain about bug and problems. I try my level best to compile the programs without a hitch but sometimes I cannot avoid it. I don't mind people submitting bug reports but I do mind when people complain about something I am giving them for nothing with no profit or pay to me.
Limewire developers, you did wrong too - you added a new feature without telling people exactly what it does so in a way I guess you were kind of asking for it. You want to stop all of these ugly posts in these forums? Release some up-to-date documentation for 2.0 and encourage people to read it.
A final note to those of you that are still p_ssed off with Limewire:
Please, please, PLEASE - give Limewire 2.0 a go without you constantly looking for network statistics. I know some of you forked out $6 from your own pocket for this product, and I can understand your frustration BUT, by paying up - you have shown a loyalty to Limewire - please excercise this loyalty by adapting to the new release, and give the Limewire chaps a go. The money you paid was not to allow the developers to go on an overseas holiday I'd surmise - I think it was more of a thing to pay them for their efforts and to keep them motivated. People are only posting about how hard done-by they are on these forums because they CARE about where Limewire is going. I just beg you to be NICE about it... Give it time, I promise that you will see some changes and improvments to the core program. Until then, please stop discouraging the developers because they are here as a service to you, and I certainly wouldn't be in a hurry to fix a problem caused by people not being told about new features who just abuse you about it, would you?
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JM

This was a community service announcement...
lol...

nerd alert
 

don't you sound like a little nerd, programming at 16! Have you seen the outside world? Ever kissed a girl (your mother does not count, nor does your sister before you ask)?
We complain because we can and will, we have more interesting things to do other than wanking over visual basic files and defraging harddrives like you do. Bet you spend all day trying to optimise your crappy 500MHz athlon, to get it to do something other than crash.
You sad fukk

Avaliable Files
 

It is a given that when major changes are implemented in software that there are going to be problems. With thousands of people running any number of soft and hard configurations it's going to take awhile to sort out bugs and other problems related to implementing a protocol enhancement such as ultrapeer.
Rather than bitch about the fact that I haven't yet seen the advantage of the ultrapeer implementation I will level a few comments.
1) most gnutella users use limewire to get and share files. My experience is that the 2.0+ versions of limewire simply don't return as many hits for a given search as the older versions did.
2) I went looking for information on what was this new ultrapeer enhancement. There is nothing describing it's implementation or what its intended purpose is in any of the common FAQ or user documentation. If a programming group makes a signifigent change in a product like ultrapeer as an example, where the function of the software is as markedly changed as 2.0+ is, it would be to the benefit of the community as a whole to provide some information to the users about what the change is and why, as well as how it works.

If the implementation of the ultrapeer method is a step in the chain to making the gnutella net function better then thats great. But without some information as to the why and how this new connect method is superior to earlier implementations large numbers of folks are simply going to go find something they think functions properly.

Lets see some info on the limewire website about ultrapeer, how it works, what it is, and why it's better than previous implementations. The general public aren't programmers, they just want to fire up their client software, make a search and grab what their looking for. Frankly 2.0+ is disappointing in it's functionality, and without some clarification about what the new changes are suppose to improve, Limewire will only loose marketshare....

RE: Nerd Alert
 

Unregistered,
Let me put your tiny mind to rest...
1) Yes, I often see the outside world.
2) I have more than kissed a girl mate, don't worry if ur jealous...
3) Your importance on the web is not governed by your processor, the fact that you imply that is just plain ironic.
It's sad really, I don't know about your's but my Processor has never crashed, normally just my OS.
4) Why would I wank over VB files?? Code doesn't do it for me, but again - I'm not sure about your ideals.

What I'm trying to say is that I don't need to get in a flame war with you about sexuality. Also, 'nerd' is a stereotypical term and I reckon you have a lot of balls to call someone a 'nerd' on a computing forum. Let's just stick to arguing our case about Limewire because that's what this thread is for (Also, I'm not so sure about what has got you thinking about sex when you read a computing post!) If you want to be aroused - just on over to http://live.slu.ts/ and check out my latest pictures of your mother... (Hey, I gotta get one in!)

I'm not against you complaining, I felt a hell of a lot like complaining when I first downloaded Limewire! If you have such interesting things to do - why are you on here complaining your **** off to no-one in particular? The way I see it you have 3 options:
1) Get off your **** and see if you can program something better - OR become a beta tester for Limewire.
2) Complain NICELY to the Limewire staff
or
3) Know your role and SHUT your mouth idiot!
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JM

Re: Older peeps can be ignorant too
 

What a well thought post. The fact that you're 16 and have the intellect to post something like that is impressive.

I almost even feel guilty about bitching and moaning about limewire. After all, it is free (for me).

There had to be a reason limewire didn't clearly state the differences between older versions and the new one. I don't think many people would have "up"graded if that were the case (myself included).

But if it's for the greater good I'm willing to continue using the "new" version.

The ads don't seem to soak up any bandwidth (precious as that is for my 56k connection) so I can put up with them. But there should be an explanation of why it's ok to maintain only one connection when you request to maintain 3 (or any number other than 1 or 0) as long as the connection is to an "ultrapeer". I almost went to bearshare again I was so ****ed.

Now that I'm more informed, however, I think I'll leave this version of limewire on my system and pray for another timely upgrade release.

RE: RE: Older Peeps Can Be Ignorant Too
 

Thanks for the compliment on my post, I really appreciate it.
It's ok - you're entitled to be upset about this version of Limewire, many people are. I just wanted to let people know that their money wasn't so much of a purchase as it was a contribution to the future of thew Gnutella Network.

I fully 100% agree that bandwidth is very precious for a 56k connection (I have one too - hey, I can't complain - if my parents could afford more I would, but I wont ;) ). One great benefit from 'Ultrapeer' for us analogue users is that you never have to shut off your connection to the network when downloading to get every extra bit of data per second and you never have your 'Clear To Send' light on your modem go out because of congestion.

I'm happy with the new advance because I sifted through some unpleasant, some abusive and some down right nasty posts for the information on Ultrapeer. I realize the bugs aren't all out of it yet, but I also realize that once Ultrapeer becomes standard - the network will function as well as (or better) than the Napster Network once did. I cannot wait for that day to come, but I guess I'll have to. In the mean time, I'm happy for the developers to do whatever they think is necessary to ensure the wellbeing of the network. I paid my 'donation/purchas' and no matter what, I will never ask for it back.

I'm not asking people to shut up about what is wrong with Limewire, I'm just begging them to be informed about it (Limewire Developers - that's where you come in to it!) and to try and be constructive about their criticism. As I said, Limewire (and the Gnutella Network) WILL get better, but only if WE let it...

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JM

Ultrapeer - the deal...
 

Apparently - this is the deal with Ultrapeer:
When you connect to an Ultrapeer, it drops all of your other connections to reduce congestion and to assist your uploads/downloads by giving them extra bandwidth.
When you search the network, your search request goes to the ultrapeer and the ultrapeer does your searching for you, thus shielding you from the bulk of the traffic from the network (= good!)
The ultrapeer knows most of the files on your computer and only delivers search messages to your computer if it believes you have a file of use.
Ultrapeer is not fully perfected yet, it is merely an architecture that they have put out to try and reduce traffic (= better network health = good!). More updates to Ultrapeer will come with new releases of the software.
Many Gnutella products are starting to develop in accordance with the Ultrapeer Standard.
The Ultrapeer Design can only benifit us if we use it in it's earlier stages. If we don't give it a go, it may just disappear altogether and that would be a great loss as it would deprive the network of a great protocol.

Those are the facts as I have heard - I posted them here to save you sifting the posts for answers.

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JM

This thread is not getting anybody anywhere. The title of the thread is 'ignorant user', and this is just asking for trouble. This thread will only provoke flaming and insults if allowed to continue. This thread is now locked.