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Paladoris February 20th, 2004 03:59 PM

Corrupted Files
 
How come it seems that every song I try to download has some sort of corruption in it? I could even tolerate a hiccup or skip in the song every now and again if they'd burn to a CD, but not a single one of the songs I attempted to toss onto a disc would go on. I spent an entire day downloading tunes to put onto a mix and it turns out none of them work. Is this some sort of thing to keep people from burning CDs from mp3s, or has every Limewire user somehow managed to corrupt their songs?

Paladoris February 22nd, 2004 06:22 PM

Does everyone just not know, has it been asked a million times, or nobody cares?

ursula February 22nd, 2004 06:57 PM

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Originally posted by Paladoris
Does everyone just not know, has it been asked a million times, or nobody cares?
Thankfully, slightly less than a million times.

It would help others to help you if you tell us what software you are using to try to do the burning... Also, type of disks (CD-RW are 'normally' a no-no) and what player.

WITHOUT naming names, you might say whether or not what you are D/Ling is new and very popular...

Remember that you are not getting files only from LimeWire users...

Are you trying, when possible, to download files with the largest number of sources ?

Are you using

Bitzi


People do care, honest... But, it is Sunday night/Monday morning in North America/Europe and hopefully the Oceanians are at work !!!

Paladoris February 24th, 2004 04:59 PM

using Sonic RecordNow! for burning. maybe it's just touchy about corruptions, i couldn't tell you. And most of the songs I'm trying to get are from either out of print or little known albums from the 70's & 80's. And no, not using Bitzi. Never heard of it, in fact. Thanks for the reply, I understand it being a pain in the *** to answer the same questions all the time but I didn't have any luck finding an answer on the Search.

By the way, is it ettiquette or just good sense not to name names when it comes to what you're getting?

ursula February 24th, 2004 05:29 PM

Hi, Paladoris...

The 'not naming names' bit is in relation to posts including references to copyright infringement.

Re: the 'pain'... Don't worry about it... Well, worry a little !!! Ha Ha...

Speaking of 'pain'...
Ready ?

You may want to check out whether or not your sound quality problems on playback could be related to your... Oh, Oh... Sound Card and/or the drivers for same.

This is a very touchy and personal thing for many people, especially if they have spent serious money on something which is not as good as advertised !

The above is just a guess, albeit a reasonable one !

It would help all if you would be quite specific about all of your System... Narrows down the replies with further queries and gets you an answer faster !
;)

Paladoris February 26th, 2004 11:09 AM

It doesn't seem to be the system, though. I'd sincerely doubt it'd be the sound card. It seems to just be that the files themselves are screwy. I'll get a notice all the time from Limewire saying "We've detected a corruption in this here file, wanna go ahead anyway?", and I usually just click yes because 'corruption' usually just means that somehow it got screwed up so there's a skip or hiccup or two in the song. I don't believe it has anything to do with my computer just not being able to play the songs, as it plays regular CDs fine, and when I actually do get a successful, uncorrupted download, it plays fine and burns fine. All I was complaining about was the fact that it's very rare, at least in the things I'm looking for, to find a song that plays perfectly all the way through without skips, and in turn burns to a CD. Finding the files in the first place is a tough gig, having them be corrupted just makes matters frustrating. I used Bearshare for a little while before and it had the same problem.

et voilą February 26th, 2004 11:24 AM

Salut Pladoris! Here is my advice: change your burning program, as it seems to picky about corrupted files, get Nero or something else.

Bonne chance!

ursula February 26th, 2004 02:11 PM

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Originally posted by Paladoris
It doesn't seem to be the system, though.
Well, here we are again, Paladoris !
Just EXACTLY what system does it not seem to be ? ;)
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I'd sincerely doubt it'd be the sound card.
Don't necessarily bet any money on that, and remember that I said, "Sound card and/or drivers..."
(But, I do hope you are right !)
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It seems to just be that the files themselves are screwy. I'll get a notice all the time from Limewire saying "We've detected a corruption in this here file, wanna go ahead anyway?",...
Ah... The little problem of NO INFO !

To date, we have been able to learn that you are using some version of LimeWire and Sonic RecordNow! on some sort of computer with some type of Operating System.

You also have not stated what 'player' you are using and whether or not you have tried any other player(s).
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I don't believe it has anything to do with my computer just not being able to play the songs, as it plays regular CDs fine,...
"CD's" use different drivers - different codecs... Not the same as .mp3 or .ogg or ape or...
Also, depending on your machine and its peripherals, you may be using very, very few of your machines 'resources' when 'playing a CD' as it is entirely possible that your CD-ROM/player is doing most of the work... i.e. not accessing your Hard Drive or using any great share of processor time/resources.
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... and when I actually do get a successful, uncorrupted download, it plays fine and burns fine...
Interesting. This is some information to go on...

BUT,...
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Originally posted by Paladoris
...every song I try to download has some sort of corruption in it...
... it turns out none of them work.

... is what you said in your first post.
Rather different, hmmm ?
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All I was complaining about was the fact that it's very rare, at least in the things I'm looking for, to find a song that plays perfectly all the way through without skips, and in turn burns to a CD.
An understandable complaint.
However -
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I used Bearshare for a little while before and it had the same problem.
Oh, Oh !!! :eek:

99.99% sure that you have some form of problem on/with your machine.

Please try with another 'burner' and another 'player'.

I am not ignoring the importance of the 'message' you get in LimeWire. But, is that message being reported when you use the player or after you have completed a download...
;)
Also, are you certain that this is not a problem related to a heavily fragmented Hard Disk ?

And, pretty please ???????
More info so that others can help you more quickly and more accurately, OK ?
;)

p.s. Not that this will cheer you up, but, for many, many years I have said to people that,
"If Hi-Fi worked the same way as computers we'd all be playing in kazoo bands !"
Think about it... Aren't computers fun ???

Deezel58 February 26th, 2004 04:18 PM

I feel your pain, I have been having the same problem recently. I switched form Kazaa (Which I was using for about a year with no problem) when every file I tried to download was corrupt so I thought I would switch to Limewire (about a week ago). Now I can't even finish the download without the prompt coming up that, "The file is corrupt, do you want to continue?"

My OS is Windows XP Home, Burining is Roxio CD Creator 5, Pentium 4 2.0, use both Windows Media and Music Match as palyers, all neatly compiled on a Dell Dimension 4500 Desktop. And I just downloaded Limewire so I assume that it is the most recent version.

Any further suggations would be appreciated.

ursula February 26th, 2004 04:54 PM

I omiited the following earlier, but there is most unfortunately the possibility that the 'corrupted' files you have attempted to download are deliberately corrupted.

Deliberately corrupted and then shared by organisations who are in one quise or another affiliated with the music recording industry.

There are numerous threads and posts on this subject here in the forums.

As an aside, for those who are doubtful of the ability of individuals or groups do this, just think how many files are covered by people attempting to install their 'dialer' applications on your machines... And, these 'dailer' people are very small-time in comparison to the music recording industry.

This may seem strange to say, but hopefully it is a problem with either your systems or your software.
Those types of 'problems' can be fixed !

trap_jaw4 February 26th, 2004 05:30 PM

There is probably one partial filesharing enabled client that sends corrupted data. I just downloaded a CD-Image and 30 of 512 file blocks were corrupted...

Hopefully LimeWire 4.0 will be able to recover from file-corruptions.

Paladoris February 27th, 2004 10:06 AM

Allrighty, I'm using a 3 week old HP Pavilion, Windows XP, and Limewire 3.8.6. I omitted that because I don't think that's the problem. What I think is going on is that people that I'm downloading from just have corrupted files. From what you've been answering (though the help is most definitely appreciated), I'm not sure that you understand exactly what I'm talking about. I'll download a song, it'll say "Limewire detected a corruption", I'll go ahead and get it anyway. I play the song and it skips, like a skip on a song from a scratched CD or something, and because of this skip, caused by the corruption in the data, the file won't burn to CD, probably because of some screwup in the data from the corruption. That's why I don't think it has anything to do with the OS, cause I'd encounter this every once in awhile with Kazaa, but not often. I just figured there's been an increase in people who's files are screwy. My questions were simply "Can you burn corrupted files to CD with a different burner", and "Where the heck do I get uncorrupted files"? As to my comment about none of the downloads being uncorrupted, yes it was an exaggeration. No, they're not all corrupted. Yes, most of them are. Yes, it's a rare occurence to find one that's not.

So, to wrap it all up, I think that the corruption causes the skip that causes the screwy data that causes the unburnable track, indicated by Limewire telling me that it's corrupted at a certain point in the download, verified by the fact that it skips at about the point that I was told it was when I preview it.

trap_jaw4 February 28th, 2004 01:03 PM

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Originally posted by Peerless
BT just give the message that a piece failed hash check, and that it is redownloading that piece! this seems like a much better way to deal with the problem, as opposed to asking you if you want to accept the corruption or not...
That's what THEX/Tigertree is for, - I wrote a patch that takes care of corruptions using TigerTree hashing. Maybe it'll make it into LimeWire 4.0.

Paladoris February 28th, 2004 03:17 PM

I guess what's really confusing me is the fact that a lot of people seem to be generally unafflicted by this problem. I suppose that's why you pressed the issue of something being wrong with my computer, urs, because it certainly does seem highly unlikely that I'm just the poor sod with the bad luck to come across an array of corrupted search results just about every time I do a search. Does owning the paid version of Limewire do anything to sort of tidy up the search results, in terms of quality and such? And, confusion further dogs my footsteps when it comes to Bitzi. I've discovered the option for a Bitzi checkup when right-clicking a file, and (shockingly enough, I suppose) so far none of my downloads have checked out. So does Bitzi only verify songs that have been registered, songs that were actually taken from a CD, or what? Cause I've been to the website and used the search function with pretty limited results. I'm certain the artist I checked up's got more songs than that.

ursula February 28th, 2004 03:39 PM

Hi...

Bitzi is dependent on users 'filing reports'...
The Bitzi database is growing fast, but many of us wish it was much faster growth !

The only way that is going to happen is for more people to participate in Bitzi !

It does seem quite likely, unfortunately, that you have hit on some deliberately corrupted files.
This practice of corrupting files IS actually happening.

Nice, hmmm ?

It isn't the normal user who is doing this corrupting... It is simply another facet of the attempt to diminish or eliminate p2p participation.
And, before anyone says that my words are 'paranoic'... Believe me, I thought the same of others who said these things about the music industry... I was wrong... It really is happening.

blah

Paladoris February 29th, 2004 01:44 PM

Eh, my download strategy is mostly just grab best quality and largest looking file. I'm not really wooed by advertising in the file names. Though I will take a look at the bandwidth and IP from now on, just as an extra little checkup.


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