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muttley66 March 18th, 2005 04:21 AM

windows xp crashing
 
Can anyone explain this problem...

When I am downloading music, peridically Limewire (the connection speed and time remaining) seem to halt.

When this occurs, my pc then reboots itself and takes ages to begin again.

When I use other programs (Winmx and Kazaa Lite), these never cause my pc to crash.

Admittedly, Limewire is superb and when it does work it is great.

BUT this crashing the pc is doing my head in.

any help?

steve:mad:

Lord of the Rings March 18th, 2005 04:34 AM

1. How much ram do you have?

2. Hard Disk space available?
3. Connection type? (eg: dialup, broadband, cable, etc.)
4. Modem & router brand name & model numbers?
5. Where are you trying to connect from (home, school, work, etc.)?
6. What version of Limewire (LW) & Java do you have? (Go to LW's menu Help>About LW...)
7. Do you use the Resume button to continue all your incomplete files?

muttley66 March 18th, 2005 09:19 AM

512 ram
HDD 80gb main, 120gb secondary
connection type is Webstar 100/200 Blueyonder cable for my 1mb broadband.

Home connection

Linewire is the latest Pro version
java is this : Java(TM) 2 Platform Standard Edition
Runtime Environment
Version 5.0

I do use the resume button.

I do not think anything is wrong with my pc (I happen to use an identical one in my work), since other P2P applications never fail.

Need any further info?

Lord of the Rings March 18th, 2005 09:35 AM

Using the resume function on many files simulaneously can have side fx. It can use up all of LW's resources as well as your computers & may even affect your connection. My advice is to let LW settle before doing anything. After opening, leave it for half an hour or so, then do your searching, or if you wish, choose a few files to resume. But don't select all to resume at the same time.

Some hints: A well set-up LW can start to automatically continue its dwnlding after it's settled down perhaps 2 out of 3 times you open LW. Optimising LW & Maximising Uplds & Dwnlds A (1st post only) & also Part B which is even better & last & least are search & dwnld hints. The latter one I've been thinking about re-writing for some time. That's just for playing it safe. eg- I show all speeds & qualities.

eg: http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...028#post116028

muttley66 March 18th, 2005 09:52 AM

So i suppose my pc is adequate enough to use the fast limewire ?

I did not think anything was wrong.

Lord of the Rings March 18th, 2005 10:02 AM

If it's crashing then something's wrong. You can try to reduce load by reducing the no. of incomplete files. You can set both uplds & downlds for autoclear, disable ultrapeer capabilities, reduce upld bandwidth to 70-80%.

fabion March 18th, 2005 10:09 AM

Hmmmm was reading some posts on this earlier.

Seems some have resolved this by uninstalling then reinstalling java.

I would try LotR suggestions 1st, and use this as a possible option if they don't resolve the problem.

Have a good day

muttley66 March 19th, 2005 12:43 PM

Guys

For your info, I installed the latest Java and, it seems that now LW appears to "freeze" instead of crashing the pc.

If i have to change my upload and download speed, any ideas what it should be?

Im 1mb cable and have no idea what the up/down speed is!

Why does LW freeze for a few seconds now when it normally crashes?

muttley66 March 20th, 2005 08:25 AM

I have now tried all advice, not only does LW still crash my pc but it also, makes it appear to freeze!

can anyone send me simple info on tweaking LW to make it run fast on my broadband and not to crash?

fabion March 20th, 2005 08:33 AM

Check this link out. http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=35273

Sounds like your problem is similar now.

Have a good day

muttley66 March 20th, 2005 03:19 PM

I have tried installing the "lost files" from my XP CD - no difference.

What I have now noticed is that I opened up LW and left it running - did not do any downloads BUT when I checked on the pc an hour later, the screen display went into "safe mode", the screen resolution went to 800xXXX instead of my 1024x768 AND there was a message about an incorrect screen driver.

This is getting worse!

So lets see, I have corrected faulty files with my cd, changed the upload and download bandwith, rebooted the pc.

Is there anything else left to do other than throw the bloody pc in the bin? Wait! If LW is causing problems but not Winmx, Kazaa Lite etc...perhaps the software developers at LW may have a bug in their application?

fabion March 20th, 2005 03:38 PM

Hmmm not sure which display adapter you have if it is an ATI Radeon series check this link out. http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=34408

Just a thought.

muttley66 March 20th, 2005 03:53 PM

Mate, Nvidia geforce mx4000 and it works well!!!

fabion March 20th, 2005 04:08 PM

I haven't with mine either ati radeon 300 series.

But I did find this link as final option maybe. Check it out. http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...ghlight=Nvidia

muttley66 March 20th, 2005 04:14 PM

What do you mean by ppl from the uk and crackdowns?

Also, heres a thing: My pc crashed just as I was about to post a reply thread here - without LW running!!!

Is it possible that one of my memory strips could be causing problems?

as I have 512 (256x2), can LW still run using one 256 strip to prove if LW is actually working properly???

muttley66 March 21st, 2005 01:44 PM

I have taken out (what I assumed was a faulty) memory strip and started up LW again.

In the middle of 3 downloads, the pc froze crashed the rebooted.

I have done all that you guys advised me to do.

What else can be done other than a complete installation of Windows XP?

Help please!!!!

fabion March 21st, 2005 02:12 PM

You still may have to go that route, but try using your XP cd to do a repair of your master boot record (mbr). It also provides other repair options also.

Don't forget you have to start(boot) the comp. using the XP cd.

I had a problem with my comp. last night, another issue, but that fixed it.

Just a thought.

muttley66 March 21st, 2005 02:17 PM

Fabien

Is it not anything to do with the fact LW is now a pro (turbo) version and my sempron 2400 with 512 DDR (pc2700) may not be fast enough for it?

I could revert back to a slower version of LW?

what do you think?


stevie

muttley66 March 21st, 2005 04:01 PM

Ok this is what I have:

2x256 sticks
550w psu
80gb main, 120gb removable,
dvd rom, dvd writer
nvidia geforce mx4000
128mb soundblaster
1mb broadband blueyonder (unlimited)

does this help?

deacon72 March 23rd, 2005 03:55 PM

I've had LimeWire running on too many different computers to blame PC crashes on it. Bad news is, & I say this as a guy who charges 65.00 an hour to reprogram computers. Fdisk, format, start from scratch. Takes about 3 hours to completely reprogram, update, and install vital programs with Win XP and on cable. You can try all the fixes you want but this is the least aggravating.

s_muttley March 23rd, 2005 04:42 PM

Mate, I decided to use my spare 17gb hdd, wipe it and install my XP.

I then installed all my software (Office 2003, Nero, ZoneAlarm etc) then reinstalled LW.

It works perfect - plus for the 1st time i got 148kbps on a download!

Now I have to decide to wipe my original 80gb hdd and start from scratch.

This coming from a Systems Officer (Analyst / Programmer) who could charge mega bucks but does not.

So this means that the ONLY way of curing LW is to reformat and begin again!

steve, glasgow, scotland

deacon72 March 24th, 2005 12:48 AM

You have now got the firm base (an uncorrupted operating system) to install Limewire. Congrats on the download speed.

muttley66 March 24th, 2005 05:09 PM

You are not gonna believe this...after reformatting and installing LW Pro, I downloaded 5 mp3s this evening and then LW crashed and pc rebooted.

LW must have some severe issues! This HDD has been cleaned, XP installed, Anti Virus plus McAfee and ZoneAlarm.

Will anyone please tell me what else I can do?

What about the upload / download bandwidth as regards 1mb broadband from telewest?

I need urgent help FAST.

steve

p.s. I was "s_muttley" before!

et voilą March 24th, 2005 06:37 PM

@ Muttley66: your system hardware is bad. Check for your RAM modules (there are software that diagnostic those, search google) or/and your moderboard. If it is not a bad RAM module, something must be overheating.

Bonne chance

muttley66 March 25th, 2005 01:39 AM

How can something be overheating? I am not into hardware myself - software programmer.

The board cpu and memory were bought in january and as far as I seen, nothing was tampered with.

It appears to be only LW which causes problems. Winmx, Kazaa, Bit Torrent, Bit Lord etc do not cause problems.

fabion March 25th, 2005 05:38 AM

It may be because LW uses Java, which Java is not RAM efficent and uses VM.

This can cause heat conduction, by using the RAM and Hard Drive more than the system is used to. This might be caused several different ways. Manufacturing defects that don't manifest themselves, until the machine is put under a load. An Improper or Inadequate cooling system. Under powered power supply --- the system needs more power than the power supply can provide. The last item sounds like it may be the probable cause --- Most power supplies have a thermal safety switch, which, when it over heats it will stop supplying power, until it resets, causing the system to reboot. There may be other similar safety features within your system that have the same function.

Hope this helped explain things about overheating a little better.

muttley66 March 25th, 2005 07:14 AM

Does this mean that mu psu could be at fault? If yes, how can the psu be tested?

I could take it back to the shop where it was bought BUT I would need to be sure of a fault in the unit first.

any more help please?

fabion March 25th, 2005 07:46 AM

Well I don't think you have the proper test equipment to do that.

But this might be a simple way to check.

Using your default mp3 player. Select a song and play it. Turn the volume all the way up on the mp3 player, also turn the volume all the way up on your speakers. Cover ears if needed and warn anyone around.

Watch your display. If it fades in and out with the rythym of the music, that is an indication that the power supply is being stressed.

It might also duplicate your problem.

muttley66 March 26th, 2005 03:21 AM

warez copy of Norton? I dont thinks so!

McAfee Exterprise version 8 mate!

I had version 7 and the pc still rebooted with LW...

BTW this version is legal too - 100%

any more ideas in your crystal ball?

muttley66 March 26th, 2005 10:08 AM

Overclocking: daft question...how is this possible?

I run a sempron 2400 and, since my mate (fixes pcs) installed it with me watching, we never fiddled with any jumper settings.

It seems that LW runs helluva fast (some mp3s download at incredible speed compared to my original HDD).

This "tester" hdd was reformatted remember!

I do not want rid of LW...no way!

how can you tell if a cpu is overclocked?

muttley66 March 26th, 2005 11:52 AM

I checked my BIOS and the cpu speed is set to Auto.

What you said about teh overclocking issue is true, thats why I should have remembered I prefer Auto to Manual.

So now I have a pc formatted, no viruses, cpu is running as it should be, psu seems fine (I have not a votage meter to test), memory checks out fine, all software is ok.

Therefore, I have no idea what can be wong...But If any user is local to my loacation nr Glasgow, I would be only too pleased for them to check my pc out (more heads are better than 1).

I appreciate your and others help in getting LW fixed for good.


Dont fancy Bear Sharelite - LW is superb

deacon72 March 26th, 2005 02:02 PM

I presume your "tester" drive is the 17 gig HDD you had. So, may I offer a suggestion?? Keep that as your main drive (easier to maintain) and use your other drive>fidisked & reformatted, of course>as a slave to save all your music and important files. Using the cut & paste method is best and will preserve the integrity of your second drive should your first drive take another unexpect dump.

Relicc June 16th, 2005 02:05 AM

yea
 
Iv got the same problem with my computer suddenly shutting off for apparently no reason. Sometimes it takes 20 minutes, other times it takes 8 hours. I cannot believe that limewire can overheat my system while some of the most graphic intensive games do not.

windows XP
2.4ghz p4
100gb hdd
geforce 4 4600 - yea, shes old, but still runs the new games
1gig 2700DDR
450watt power supply

no viruses and no adware found on last run.


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