Q: After a few hours, all upload slots are same file.
 

Does anyone else experience this?

If I leave LimeWire running for hours (like all-day), eventually, all of my upload slots will be uploading the exact same file. I have my settings to prevent any one user from downloading more than one file at a time, and every upload is sourced to a different Host/IP address.

I can't fathom that a dozen different people suddenly all decide to download the same obscure file all at the same time. Yet, eventually, this is always the result.

Typically, I'll see about 7-8 slots (out of ten) all uploading the same file, till eventually all ten upload slots, and all ten Queued slots, are taken up by the exact same file.)

This has been a problem since I first started using LW at 4.8.1.

Anyone else experience this? Is this a bug or a frequent freak coincidence?

I've not experienced this, but if I think paranoid, I feel that someone with a lot of computers is trying to stop you uploadng to anyone else.

Do you share many files?

Have you tried removing this file from your share, or possibly just renaming it slightly. .... Does this happen only with one particular file.?

Re: Q: After a few hours, all upload slots are same file.
 

I have!!! There seems to be daily or weekly or monthly popular titles. Even though there might be 'sands of similar files available on the G network & the one in question I'd have personally thought of as rarish or obscure. And as suggested this seems to change from day or week or month to the next (on-demand file.) My most populars have varied over mths & weeks. And all being in major queues for the same (popular file of the moment) file. Perhaps it's related to how gnutella handles popularity for files ... such as those that are not nexccessarily the "most" popular. Gnutella "might" pool its requests somehow. Just guessing out aloud!

Yea I get that too, all the time. For me it's always a video file, but if I unshare my video files and just share audio I get more of a variety of diff.files being uploaded.

I did notice recently that one IP was in my upload queue three times for the same file. I'm not sure why the program would allow this...

I've noticed this too. It would be nice if you could assign upload slots to different types of files so they aren't all consumed with one file type. typically it's very large files. People who want smaller files just can't get them from me.

Re: Re: Q: After a few hours, all upload slots are same file.
 

I've thought something along these lines too.

What happens is, when I first connect, I'll almost immediately (within the first fifteen minutes) get about three or four hits on the exact same obscure file... whatever the file du jour may be that day (varies between launches. I currently share over 7800 files). After a while, I'll see more and more upload-slots taken up with the same obscure file... every IP address different.

Since there are different programs out there compatible with LW ("Bearshare", etc), I've suspected that these other programs may use some technique of using multiple IP addresses in order to get around the "one person, one file" restriction I've set. I sincerely doubt 20 different people are all suddenly after the same copy of "funny-cats". (Though I haven't been able to pinpoint any particular netshare software as being guilty of this.)

It's always a video file too, but I suspect this is only because videos are the largest files, and the longer it takes to upload, the more likely you are to see multiple connections to it (MP3's just aren't big enough to prompt this "bug".) A really large document would probably reveal the same "bug" if someone were willing to spend 8 hours downloading a book.

Allowing multiple connections per user doesn't resolve the problem. It has the opposite effect, making it worse.

It can become quite annoying, as I see users wanting to download a simple 50K jpg waiting in line behind a half dozen slots taken up downloading a 700M video at 3K/sec. with 23 hours to go. :(

Here I go being paranoid again...any thoughts on the RIAA or somebody else intentially trying to 'kill' gnutella by using up everyone's upload slots?

It still happens even when useing Peer Guardian

So I'm not alone. Whew.
 

It's nice to see I'm not alone here. It's not just my setup, and I'm not crazy.

:)

I noticed this also, so I changed my settings so that no freeloaders could download of me and inorder not to be a freeloader you must share over 250 files.

Problem sloved...

In theory this would also help with your 'paranoid' thoughts, as the RIAA or whoever may try to use everyone uploads slots, are not going share over 250 files thus unable to download of you!

I would not consider myself a 'heavy' downloader and still manage to share over 1500 files so I feel 250 is a reasonable amount...

That's my setup, but bug persists.
 

This is how I am already configured, yet it's been a problem from day one (well over a year, maybe two).

No need to be paranoid; it's almost certainly a "bug" or someone found a way around the restriction. No organization is going to waste their time downloading dozens of copies of perfectly legal and obscure video files just to "log-jam" Gnutella. It would also be an absurdly slow and inefficient means of addressing the problem of piracy (not to mention that I still use Kazaa on ocassion... which is a much higher profile program when discussing pirarcy... which does not experience this particular problem).

No, I'm more certain that LW can be easily fooled by letting one user connect from multiple IP's.

A few years ago I was looking at an apartment for rent and they were showing us it. The guy that was living there had 4 computers each on a separate desk in his living room all on doing something and they were networked together. So I wonder if a few computer nerds are configuring multiple computers with different file sharing programs and somehow using different IP addresses in order to do this. Who knows... :rolleyes:

The files that are mostly "hogged" are the movie files.:rolleyes: Not movies but porn files. Over 1000 to choose from and suddenly 5 people all want the same file over and over. Not a coincidence!

Therefore; in order to be fair here to the people that is downloading from me. I stopped sharing all of those files and watched the monitor tab for a while. Now I see lots of users downloading other files. All different ones and all from Limewire users too. Hmmmmm. Something I’ve never seen. I won’t be putting them back on till Limewire implements some sort of control on the upload slots that actually work! :mad:

Loophole
 

I think you're 99% on the money there.

But rather than hackers using a complicated "network" of different PC's running different File Sharing programs and somehow combining the parts into a single file (I'm a programmer but can't think of how such an app would work), I suspect it is more likely someone has figured out a way to exploit a small loophole in LW... that the lowest setting on "Allow Freeloaders" is "rare" but not "never".

The free loader slider in LW apparently doesn't work anyway. lol :D I heard it was disabled over 18 mths ago because it didn't work properly. Some other p2p networks have freeloader detectors, so I only know that it's not so easy to be able to detect this on the gnutella network the way it is now (from what one of the LW proggies said.)

It would seem like an easy enough fix IF it were allowing duplicate IP addresses, but it's not, so I suspect your info is not 100% accurate and that the "Freeloader" slider hasn't been "completely" disabled.

How comes when I select 'rarely allow freeloaders', I only have about 5 people downloading off me.

And when i allow freeloaders i have over 20?! with all my queued positions full aswell?!

Probably because you have set it so that they have to have 250 plus files which sucks....
:mad:

I dont have over 250 files yet and I assure you I am no freeloader

I find it some what strange that you can be a senior member of the forum, but have not yet manage to aquire 250 files!

But hey if your not a freeloader. One day, when you get 250 files you will have access to ALL mine and many others vast collection of mp3s, adfs, roms, avis or whatever your heart desires....

something to look forward to ehh;)

Do you know how to achieve senior member?
No obviously not......

To become a senior member means that you have posted 100 or more replies or queries in the forum...
I have not claimed to be an expert limewirer, but if I know an answer to somebodys questions I will help, I still learn new things from peoples posts all the time....

So before you sprout your mouth relise that I have approx 187 files and I only download what I want, not what you or anyone says I should have...

Stick that in your pipe and smoke it....:mad:

Hey Hobo, I think I just got a bit hot under the collar......:p
As you probably relise I like to dl avi files and yes I dl mp3s as well, I would probably dl alot more but as my ISP shapes me when I reach 10gbs it's impossible to dl anymore until the beginning of the month (last month they nabbed me on the 12th) and I got back my speed 3 days ago, anyway thought I'd let you know, I couldn't care less what that bug thinks...lol :D

Caps are a pita. And that's why I haven't upgraded to dsl2. In this country you can't get unlimited dsl2 unless you buy a business package ... but even then that's not unlimited either. My shares vary depending upon whether my external drive is connected. My entire iTunes Library is now on there. It's not a reliable drive (had lots of problems with it) so I don't have it connected 24/7. But even then I only share a portion of it. Earlier in the year I was sharing around 5,000 & it got up to 7,000 (which included extra downlds & personal rips.) But unfortunately mac's Java version is very inefficient & sharing that many files gave VM issues (LW crashing after a few days.) I now keep my shares not much above 2,000. Without the external connected, I share about 100 (mostly video clips.) I also share other file types. And for music also some lossless.

At this moment I have 10 people all queued for the same file. 6 are Cabos 4.8.1 & 4.9.30 (including uplding), one is Acquisition 4.8.0, & the rest are LW 4.9.23 (1) & 37. All have reasonably different ip's. An ip tracer was successful with almost but not all. Here's where they're from: Huang Shan, Anhui, China; Tokyo, Japan; Kailua, Hawaii; Melbourne, Australia; Bangalore, India; Seoul, Sth Korea.

Upon rechecking just before posting, a couple of new ones on the list. Both from Melbourne LW 4.9.19, & Cabos 4.9.28

So I don't think a theory suggested earlier seems to fit with these ones. I don't have my external connected at this moment, but, even when it is I often get the same type of results. It's been that way for most of the year since before I moved my music off the comp (which I only did a mth ago.)

Dangerous territory
 

While getting into a discussion on the types of files you're sharing can move into dangerous territory, I wanted to add my "me too" in that I likewise set my "Freeloader Threshhold" to a 250 share minimum. I had it set to just 100 for the longest time, but the number of leeches it attracted became unbearable. So about a year ago, I bumped it to 250... which doesn't seem unreasonable to me. There appears to be no shortage of downloaders at the 250 level, and if it were not for this "bug" we're discussing here, the queue is likely much shorter at 250 than 100 (consider it a reward for sharing). I personally am sharing over 7,800 files. I have *individual categories*... like "Images"... of more than 250 files. If someone can't amass a meager 250 files to share off their entire computer, they just aren't taking the time to go through and add folders to their library... lazy *******s. :)

Well mine's set to 35 minimum files. At least this does have some effect. I've also experimented around with it in the past & found changing this figure did make a difference. I think setting it to 250 or so is limiting yourself. After all, if people are uplding from you then you have a better chance of getting better search results. I've found some people sharing 60-80 files had some rare files I was after. And if such people can't upld from you then you obviously can't browse such people. If they're uplding from you then they're probably after similar files you're after. People who share less may or may not be easier to connect to (more free slots) ... perhaps. lol :D But it seems I have better chances of re-browsing & reconnecting with them in my experience. Some people have set amounts of shared files. Some increase theirs bit by bit as they collect them. People need to start somewhere. However, I shared from day one with my own stuff about 4 yrs ago.

BTW I do remember Stief commenting that one of the reasons I get people uplding from me so soon after opening LW (even before all my shares are loaded), is that apparently it has something to do with accumulative requests. I can't remember whether he told me that in a post or pm. He'd be a good candidate to comment on this thread (if he has time.) I'd need to re-read his suggestion to be a little more informative. But that in itself is perhaps the key! If requests do hum around for some time then that may explain why we can get all these requests for often rarish files at at the one time. It sounds more like a gnutella issue rather than a LW issue. ;)

Well i am definatly going to keep my 'Freeloader Threshhold' above 187 :D

lol :D if that's what you really want.

I just realised my queue in LW must have been continually changing because my description is different to the image provided. lol :D Oh well. I made the point anyway. I chopped out my upload in the image. I have one upload at present. Which is how I have it set if they're uplding video. At the moment there's 6 LW users in queue, 1 Aquis, & the rest are cabos. I am awaiting the day that dsl2 is marketed here in a similar way to the USA. They get great options over there. dsl2 is very new here (only been here for some mths.)

Share limit no effect on my results.
 

(Not to nitpick, but there is no "upload from", either you download from or upload to.) :)

In order for my search results to be affected (so that I don't get as many results, thereby missing out on some good files), a user would have to set their "Freeloader" share level to a minimum of 7,900 files before it impacted me.

Actually, since there is no "zero" setting on the Freeloaders slider, NOBODY'S files would be omitted from anyone's Search Results. You'd just be further back in the queue as people who share more get priority over you.

If you are uploading "to" someone, if you do a search for a certain file then since you are connected to that "to" person, you can also gain extra results from that person & persons they're connected to in one way or another (such as their ultrapeers who are connected to many others & people they're uplding/downlding from ...) AFAI understand it. It adds extra dimensions to your searches is what I am meaning. I have a limited understanding of how the gnutella communication & searches work. But there's definitely improved results when uploading & especially if it's similar content to the uploaders.

Ok I'm gonna clear things a bit ;)

First, I encourage anybody to only allow one upload slot per IP (Options -> Tranfers -> Places (might be a little different with LW/FW in english, lol) )
Normally LW should only upload a single file once to an IP, not twice or three times. The upload code in LW is a mess and should be worked on in the next year. Allowing one upload per person will fix that bug and allows spreading files to more people.

Next, the upload variety. We have been discussing that a lot both with LW programmers and others. It points out that putting a limit on upload slots for one file (ie you can't upload a file to more than three people in order to share other rare files) would slow network and would be difficult to implement correctly. If a file is taking all your upload slots, it is a popular file and other people are probably already sharing that file, so you should unshare that file if you want to benefit to the network by sharing other files. That's what I do ;)

Why some days some files are more in demand? Well, because some days there is a download mesh occuring around one file you share. That means that even though your aren't appearing as a result for one search, other hosts know you have the file. The download mesh in Gnutella is exactly that, as soon as somebody get a request for a file it uploads, it will send alternative host addresses that share that particular file. That means you are into a download mesh and for popular files, instantly your upload queue will be filled for one file. That system helps finishing downloads and getting more download speed, but it also lowers the amount of file available on Gnutella. That explains why Gnutella is a fast distribution content system while another like eDonkey is slow but instead allows a much more broad content library to be shared and downloaded.

Ciao

Not an answer.
 

Hi, I'm afraid that doesn't clear things up because, as was already noted: I DO have LW set for only one upload slot per IP, and it does indeed work... as I don't have more than one of the same IP downloading from me at any one time.

BUT THIS IS NOT THE PROBLEM!

This thread was started because, if connected long enough, most/all of your upload slots will eventually be taken up with the exact same file, every one of them uploading to a different host/IP and typically not even by the same software/version.

It seems HIGHLY unlikely that 20 different people are suddenly all clamoring to download "funny-Budweiser nuclear hamster.mpg" or "funny cats.avi". This problem is "file independent", so unsharing a particular file would only "solve" the problem for one day. The next time you connect, it will be something else.

Screenshots
 

I think these might help explain things:


Notice that no host/IP repeats and the software being used is different for every slot:
http://www.flynhighdiscgolf.com/temp/LW_bug.gif
Are all these people suddenly after this one obscure file?


And I indeed have LW set to "one upload per host":
http://www.flynhighdiscgolf.com/temp/LW_settings.gif

There is nothing anormal in that screenshot. Lame that the forum database bug has destroyed my previous reply....

Anyway you are in the download mesh of Bearshares... That's all.

One different upload fills your upload queue each time because:
You are sharing many popular stuff, in particular movies...
Once in the upload slots are all taken, LW stops sending search results... This means the first file that you send a search result for and that the other user decide to download the file will make you enter the download mesh. At first only with the known hosts that sent a result to the search of that host, but a couple of seconds later, all the people downloading or sharing the file on Gnutella will know you share at least a part of the file.

As simple as that...

The only thing weird is your triple upload to same IP, but i'm 100% sure you can't see that if you use the latest LW and that in Uploads Options you unchecked the "clear completed transfers".

Ciao

What I dont understand is whats the issue, so what if 20 people want your funny cat file, I mean thats pitance compared to the hundreds of thousands of people that use the p2p network..?

I check my uploads and I browse through what they have to share and even if someone only has 2 files shared so what, as LOTR said everyone starts somewhere....

And further more I am not a lazy *******, I dl what I want at the time, bubba and crawler, I always get my files without a problem, so when you Block what you call a freeloader it doesn't bother me :mad:

Doesn't do it for me.
 

Stop saying "simple as that" because you're not making sense. :)

If I understand you correctly, once all my upload slots have been filled, no one can see any other files I am sharing other than that one file? That seems pretty silly, and indeed something that should be fixed in future updates).

Speaking of which, I am indeed running the latest version... 4.9.37 Pro... and as for being "100% sure" that "auto clear uploads" will fix this, it is indeed already checked, so you're 0 for 2 on the assumption that the problem can be resolved that way.

Also, from what I can tell, the above photo does NOT show three uploads "to the same IP" (the numbers for each host is different), and again, it seems highly unlikely that so many different people are suddenly all interested in such an obscure file.


Simple as that. :)

Bubba:
Listen, I'm positive you can't have two uploads of same file with the config I told you. Post a screeny to challenge me.

The stop sending results is NOT a bug, it is a feature that makes the downloads very fast on Gnutella, this has been done on purpose.

Wondering why: the freeloader setting doesn't work and there is no way to tell who is leeching and who is not. Somebody could share partials and not completes and would still be sharing while somebody sharing neither partials or completes could help by being UP....

Ciao

If it were just that one file, I'd unshare it and be done with it. You're not reading. This problem does not occur with a particular file. Go back and start reading the thread from the beginning. One file, totally at random, may suddenly become "so popular" that after a prolonged period, eventually all of my upload AND queued slots will be filled with the same file ("Funny Cats" was used only as an example).
You're telling me that you don't have ANY files on your computer that you're willing to share that you didn't download from someone else first? How about some clipart or a few gif's you pig. :)

Think of all the files you can't get simply because you won't take the time to go through and add a few directories to to your share list.

The "lazy *******" comment stands. :)

Thanks et viola, I just get a bit cheesed at ignoramuses...
I'm doing what I'm comfortable with, when it comes to my dling...

Listen A*sh*l*, No, no clipart or gifs or anything else that would be of interest to anyone and Im not stupid I know your freakin cat was just an example and as for the pig comment I can think of a few more choice words for you, AND Im not a ******* a bitch maybe, but definatley not a *******....:mad:

Okay, Proof.
 

OK:

http://www.flynhighdiscgolf.com/temp/LW_bug2.gif

and

http://www.flynhighdiscgolf.com/temp/LW_bug3.gif

Still "100% sure"?

If it's causing this very result and was done on purpose, then it is a serious flaw in the code that needs to be corrected.

Are you serious? I'm waiting for an upload window screeny, I'd never challenge you on options settings :rolleyes:

What aren't you understanding about stopping sending results? The way it works now, only people that can provide bandwidth respond to searches. That's a choice of design, if you want your way, welcome to emule and eDonkey system where downloads are slow... (if you can dl that is)

This is my last post here, except if you post knowledgeful stuff for once.

Ciao

Beggars can't be choosers.
 

Don't be so sure "no one else would be interested" on those obscure files. I've often used filesharing to find an obscure dll or tiny icon that others might not have considered important.

The "pig" comment as iintended to denote you as a "file-hog", not a smelly animal. Take a chill-pill.

And you certainly didn't make it clear that you understood the problem in question by your previous posts. Thus my clarification of "funny cats".

I do understand this post and all I did was comment back to a remark that crawler made about freeloaders and why I was a senior member if I didn't have 250 plus files to share, I share what I have and I shouldn't be ridiculed for that. Im no computer freak and I come to this forum to learn.....:rolleyes:

Unless you are asking for a screenshot of something "Windows" related, you are again not making any sense. I've posted screenshots of everything there is to see in LW (other than my download window, which is not at issue here).

As for "what don't I understand", it's this: "If all my slots are taken and my bandwidth is totally consumed" then the network should stop including me in the "mesh" for a particular file because it only makes the problem worse, not better.

And this is all predicated on the assumption that ALL of those uploads are indeed to *different* people, which as I've pointed out over and over, seems unlikely when it comes to such obscure files.

And thats the end of that, thankyou Hobo.....;)

Insulting of other members will not be tolerated. I obviously missed some of the fun. I should have nabbed it in the beginning before it had a chance to grow. Point #4 in the Forum Rules (click here)
No wonder et voilà didn't feel inspired to return. "Attitude" in the posting.

I do not wish to name pick but if you read the post carefully i think you'll find that the follwing posts by a certain individual were the offensive and 'rule' breaking comments!


I now know how this person has managed to accumulate 265+ posts...

Some of the main players of this thread were throwing seeds about so ... let's just leave it at that. Two onto one also resulted in a more pressured response. In future let's not allow other people's responses to get to our emotions. We are a community trying to help each other in what way we feel we can. Let's not abuse other people's opinions when they are simply trying to help. When having difficulties, we can all get frustrated, but let's try to hold it within ourselves instead of seeding off for an obvious confrontation that does no one any good. Nor does it solve any of the topic problems! hint ;)

No more responses to this thread except about the topic. Otherwise the cleaning lady or myself or others will remove them. :cool: :p (or you!)

Any references to previous disagreements such as the previous post did "will" be edited out!