Why is the songs I uploaded not found when I do a normal search
 

Hi, Why is it that when I do a normal search to see if the songs I uploaded are available to other people I cannot find them?

Is there a certain amount of weeks before Limewire lists the ones some people have uploaded from me in the search list?

Or is it a case of you can't search for your own songs?


Please help?

Thank you.

Come on guys please help

The latter one......LW won't display to you the files you share; besides, you haven't "uploaded" them, since that would require a server. LW is just a P2P client allowing users to connect to other users computer......if you won't to say, you are the server and people interested in your files will download them from you (as the "server").
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Ok thanx, but how come loads of songs are in the list like when I do a search say for Elvis I get loads of songs to choose from but some are not available cause the person or persons that put them there are not online?

So to put it another way it seems that you can queue offline songs and just wait until the person comes online, so therefore shouldn't the songs I have uploaded to people be at least in the list if I'm online or not? But definely if I'm online you would think wouldn't you?

There is no way that I can give you a short answer to a quite complex matter; so why don't you just read here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peer-to-peer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_sharing
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Thanx Iv'e read that but I'm still no wiser.

The thing is, what I'm trying to say is surely if a person uploads songs from me they would still be on their computer, so therefore when I do a search for them they should be in the normal search you would think do you see what I'm trying to say?

That requires those people being online at the time of your search, having not deleted, moved or renamed the file. Only when this is given, those files will show up in your search......;)
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You know its strange cause I was chatting to a guy from Italy who just uploaded one of my MP3's and I said to him stay online and keep the file in your shared folder, he replyed I always do anyway, so I thought this is my chance to do a normal search just like as if I was after that song but didn't have it, that sort of search, anyway I typed the artist and name of song and it showed no results of my file, and then I tryed just artist, then just song title, still nothing.

How can this be?

It depends on people's settings. Within LW you have an option to share downloads immediately (introduced within the last few versions.) However, if this is not set to yes then those files won't be shared until the person re-opens LW or else, uses the Refresh button on the Library window which recounts the shared files & updates the shared content.

BTW to check the other person's files you could have browsed them rather than doing a search.

I see, thanks for that mate:)

Its just that Iv'e uploaded loads of files now, some of them have been uploaded many times by different people, so statistically you would think that while those people are still online I would see my file in the normal search wouldn't you?

Another thing that confuses me is why is it that when I do a search for some artists the results will normally display songs from the people who uploaded them onto Limewire which are offline?

I'm assuming they are offline cause if I queue a song which is in the list it won't download which highlights the fact that user is offline am I right, plus its always the same files in the search results.

Am I making sence or shall I try and explain it another way?

If a user's offline, you can't see any of their files.
What you're seeing might be fake files, there are lots around. They'll sit 'connecting' for ages before going straight to 'need more sources'. Typically, these are new releases (though not always) with large numbers of sources (up to 100). Try varying your search terms... look for artist or album rather than song title. Also try the All Types search. Stay away from files with huge numbers of sources, I go for files with 10 sources or less:)

Thanx for that mate.


But what causes fake files to go onto Limewire? You say typically these are new releases, but surely even if its a new release from someone if they are online it should download am I right?

There seem to be too many files that won't download to be all new releases if you see what I mean?

Can you please explain this a bit more to me, sorry for seeming thick.

There are lots of organisations that would love to see the end of p2p (the RIAA for one!). These fakes are planted in the hope that it will discourage people from using apps like LimeWire! Check out LOTR's post here, he gives a few more links to have a look at
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showpo...5&postcount=10

But how do they physically get them there I mean't to say mate? Not so much why.

And yet songs I know Iv'e uploaded arn't there.

Don't believe that such groups are closing down. It's propaganda. Perhaps specific ones have but new ones will have been contracted to do the job. Overpeers (click on link) & a couple of others: 1. MediaSentry & this one 2. Mediadefender

I don't doubt that mate, all I'm interested in really is trying to find out why the songs I uploaded are not in the list when I do a normal search.

You would think that Limewire would digitally list all the succesfully uploaded files so that other people could queue them in their request list to be downloaded so that when the original person comes online it will start to download, or the person/persons it uploaded to from the original person it could start to download then also.

Isn't that basically how this Limewire works? Or am I wrong?

There's no request list or list of files being shared. It's only after people come online that their files appear in anyone's search.

Ok thanks for that mate.

So now that I'm armed with that information at least I can move onto my next question.

Why is it then that I now have uploaded loads of different songs all from different artists but I never ever see them in the normal search list even though I know a few of the people that uploaded from me are online cause Iv'e been chatting to them through Limewire itself?

It would greatly encourage me to share more songs as I have lots of rare stuff for die hard fans of that artist or whatever if I could see the ones I uploaded somewhere.

Do you see what I mean?

I can't completely answer your question, but when you do a search you don't connect to every computer on the network. Your searches only go so far. Chances are that your not connecting to anyone that has uploaded your files.

Every time you startup LW you connect to different peers and ultrapeers. So potentially you can find different files than the last time you were connected.

There are millions of people using Gnutella clients and billions of files being shared. So it can be like finding a needle in a haystack.

I see what you mean mate, there was this one time that when I was chatting to someone in Italy that I uploaded a file to and I done a browse host search and it was in their list, but straight away I done a search for it in the normal audio search and it wasen't there even though we were still chatting so its things like that which I find confusing.

But thanks so much for all your help everyone so far, if you can think of anything please let me know;)

You could try a What's New search ;) As far as your issues goes I guess that's one of the ideosynchrasies of the network.

Yeah that would be just my luck:rolleyes:

Thanx again;)

Renegade, recording labels do this to stop online piracy activity, they do this by creating bogus songs, to do this they can use a few applications which most artists are familiar with Acid Pro, Wavelab or Cakewalk etc etc. And of course they would move the loop marker in the application from anywhere between 4 - 20 minutes to make it legit (3 - 4 MB), and render the file as an .mp3. Once this is created, and renamed to artist - song title.mp3 they upload it to a server, and with limewire and a few plug-ins create it as a limewire supernode, where people can access the file. Of course, mainly with upcoming songs, older songs they really don't bother with it. The recording company with approval of the artist, will have discussions on what to do when the release is meant for cd, such as "copy protection".

Ok, copy protected cd's are considered by majority of people (unrippable) because WMP doesn't detect the cd. However, they can be ripped into .mp3, .m4a formats. I won't go into detail how to do this, because it is a federal offence with copyright. But it can be done!

The RIAA, ARIA, AMCOS and other federal agencies world wide don't host songs, they just scan the programs to find large pirating organisations, these people organisations download full albums, singles and resell them at a cheaper price (illegally). They also can download and sell movies, games, and software including banned movie and games, such as the movie Ken Park and the game Manhunt for PC.

So would it be possible to find those plug ins so the likes of me and you could upload normal audio files which we might like to share with the world such as rare songs or maybe a track from a band your in or whatever onto Limewire?