I have found a solution to getting Limewire to work with Tiscali
 

All,

After much thought about why Tiscali will not allow Limewire to work I determined that it is because they are blocking all port apart fromt ftp, http etc... which is true for the most part.. except there are some ports still open as others have said, what Tiscali have done is to stop incoming ports but not stop outgoing ones, so if you do the limewire test and goto :

http://www3.limewire.com:6346/

the site will display, but if you go to a port testing website and test that port on your computer it will be blocked from allowing incoming data through that port on Tiscalis servers.

So go to:

http://www.auditmypc.com/security-scan.asp

and in the third box down you can select the range of incoming ports to scan your computer for, try each range and then when you find a warning that says a port is open on your computer use that port number in Limewire, Firewall Listening port box. (don't use port 80 though as it will be in use already if the website shows that port)

I've just done this and it showed that Tiscali was allowing ports 4443 and 5190 and 5566 were open, now I can connect again.

Regards,

Dan

Thanks a lot for that Dan:D

I had a couple of people able to connect last week, after changing ports & I'd given them ports to try in the range of 49152 - 65535...so I assumed they'd used one of those (though they didn't say).

I tried all this but got no joy
 

I tried the port scan but it's all new stuff to me, I dunno the range of ports.

Tried changing ports in LW to the ports reccomended on the forum i.e 4443 and 5190 and 5566 but got no joy.

Do I have to change both listening port and Manual Port Forward ? because i've tried both that and just leaving the Use UPnP but nothing has worked.

Is this definatley an ISP issue as I've used Tiscali for years with several different file sharers and never had this problem until a couple of days ago?:blink:

It's a bummer :shoot:

Hi,

for about the past 6 weeks, I have experienced the same problem with tiscali as many other users here and in other forums.

I have switched the port to one indicated as open by the software. And it worked perfectly again. For two days and now it is back to blockage again. They seem to be able to detect open ports...

regards,
strucker

That's great...but I already switched
 

Hi,

I tried changing to the port numbers I was advised to by the good ppl on this forum but nothing worked...maybe I did it wrong. In the end I ditched LW and got Bearshare and guess what...it works perfectly.

I really dunno about Tiscali blocking ports I've used Tiscali for years with no probs at all until recently and the change of software sorted that out.

I still find this port problem baffling as I followed all advise but nothing worked...maybe I'm just a bit dumb.

Anyhow Bearshare works for me. :xeri_ok1ani:

Cheers :)

Hey You people.
Dont waste your time, just get a proper ISP all these fixes are just temp, even
using bearShare, will only work for a day or two n that gets blocked
Get your Mac code from tiscali n vote with your feet.
Peace.

Bearshare working fine
 

Hi,

2 weeks and counting with Bearshare no probs up to now :xeri_ok1ani:

Hope you prove me wrong, If your not a high user, you may not be noticed.
Peace.

I have a solution for how to get limewire working with tiscali, but not everyone is going to like it (I've only just found this out, as I am a LW newbie, only been running for 4 days).

Ok, the solution is this: DON'T TRY TO CONNECT IN THE EVENINGS! I have only once (the first time) managed to do it, but all other times I have connected, I have tried in the morning. As I am disabled / housebound it's not a problem for me, and I can run limewire all day long until the evening, when my connection drops away to nothing.

This may not be official policy, it may even only be a temporary effect, but it's been true the last 4 days. I don't know what the cause is (it might be just 'one of those things', like I could never use RapidShare when I was with another ISP, but with tiscali I can).

Gotta be worth a try though - have a quick go before you go to work, see if I'm right.

If you have a look at Tiscali's fair usage policy, it states that Tiscali will manage bandwidth during peak hours (6-11 pm);)
http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/br...ode=ZZ-NL-11XY

It's true, it's currently 1pm and Limewire works fine. However, I'd also like to use it in peak time! I don't understand where I put in these port numbers. I looked through options, but no success. Can someone give me a clue?

How to use Manual Port faward

Universal Plug and Play may not be working properly Due to this update. "Security Update for Windows XP (KB931261)"
Removing this update is not Recomended & could make your computer vonarable to attack.

If this update is installed on your computer & UPnP is in use in Limewire,
Try switching to Manual Port faward, using port numbers between 45000 To 65000
Both Manual Port faward No, & Listerning port should be set at the same number
In LimeWire, GO to Tools/Options/Advanced/Firewall Config & use Manual Port faward.

If you are using a router to connect, that will also need configuring.
Find your router listed here, Use this blue link. & dont forget to create a static IP first, & click apply after changing each setting.
PortForward.com - Free Help Setting up Your Router or Firewall
Your Servant,
Peace.

Are you Mac or PC?

I had a problem just, where limewire ran ok all day long, but iTunes got blocked at peak times! A lot of people complained to tiscali about that, and now they've put it back again - so I just get limewire off peak like before.

I think with tiscali there is no way round this, it's their policy and if we stay with them we have to put up with it. I guess.

ISP's In England, Whats been reported.
 

Tiscali --- Don't even Go there, they will make you want to damage someone, or CRY uncontrollably ( blocks P2P 6pm to 11pm) that is proved, I beileve
Its really, 9am to 11pm. cant prove that yet.

AOL + & - Problematic for many, some say ok if you are not a heavy user.

BT + & - P2P shaping from 6pm to 12pm, reasonable at other times of day.

Talk Talk -- as bad as tiscali P2P shaping, Worse they block P2P from 9am to 12pm

NTL/Virgin ++ I have 4meg £24monthly & its very good speed, (All times of day) But there is Questions about the cheaper combo packages, TV,Phone,n Free internet.
I'm guessing, but What do you think you would get for nothing ?
A FREE LUNCH. LOL.

Bulldog ++ Good once its up n running, 3 to 8 weeks wait for install.

bethere.co.uk +++ not available everywhere, But the best if you can get it.

You can add Homecall/Pipex to the list. Wish I'd read these forums before signing up.

Can you give us a little more info, How they are shaping P2P & what they said
when you rang them ?
Are you in England ?
What speed is your connection ?
Thanks.

Sorry for not replying b4 now. Homecall/Pipex manage web traffic (P2P) during peak hours - seems to be all weekend and from 4pm till midnight weekdays!!. Based in Scotland and connection is meant to be 5Mb, but in reality, nowhere near it! Got a (supposedly) slow 512kbs account at work which allows all P2P traffic and actually downloads files faster than this piece of @@@@ account. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

androskemlos Hi

Don't use Limewire default ports, they are often blocked by ISP,s

Try switching to Manual Port forward using port numbers between 45000 To 65000
Both Manual Port forward No, & listening port should be set at the same number
In LimeWire, GO to Tools/Options/Advanced/Firewall Config & use Manual Port forward.

If you are using a router to connect, that will also need configuring.
Find your router listed here, Use this blue link. & don't forget to create a static IP first, & click apply after changing each setting.
PortForward.com - Free Help Setting up Your Router or Firewall
Your Servant,
Peace.

the contract i agreed to with tiscali (the 8mbs "unlimted" one) says that if you use the internet heavily during peak hours then action will be taken, but there is no such mention of restrictions until you're deamed a heavy user (whatever that actually means).

what you're suggesting is that their policy states that they block, regardless of amount of use, during peak hours. that's not what they say. also they say the opposite: tiscali have stated in writing a number of times to me that they do not block certain types of traffic. this is their explanation for me not being able to use p2p during a significant amount (many, many more hours than their designated peak hours):
is there any chance they don't actually block p2p and that the reason i'm unable to use p2p software is down to heavy amounts of internet traffic? at the same time i'm unable to use p2p web pages work fine for example.

is there any proof that can be obtained to display blocking of certain ports? if so i would really like to hear about it.

when people say tiscali block p2p use, what proof is there? bearing in mind they're putting it down to just lots of people using the net what concrete information can be pointed to that says that tiscali are blocking certain types of traffic?

the "we always advise our customers not to use any peer to peer programs" part, they've said that to me on the phone as well. seeing as that "recommendation" is not part of their agreement (i.e. we don't receive that recommendation until after having signed the year contract) it's moot imo. they'd need to include that in their promotional and sign up literature for it to have any meaning, which they don't, so it doesn't.

how/what proof?

Of course Tiscali say that they don't block ports! Yet anecdotal evidence would suggest that their bandwidth management (FUP) is somehow effecting many peoples ability to connect at all during peak hours (and outside of peak hours in some cases). Others are seeing very slow download speeds, regardless of the plan they're on.

If you use the forum search to look for Tiscali, you'll find heaps of threads about this. Just for example:
Tiscali blocking Limewire
can't connect between 5pm-11pm
Tiscali & Limewire
Connection Problem - with Tiscali.co.uk

You might also find some info if you search the Tiscali forum.
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johnyboy Hi.

You want Proof OK!!
Get a laptop, borrow one if you have to, Then setup Limewire on a friends connection that dose not use Tiscali or any of the small companies now owned
by them, try, NTL/Virgin, Bulldog or another.

Make sure its working correctly, then take the laptop to your tiscali connection.
Now you report back on the evidence!! truthfully my friend.

I was with Tiscali for years & I am part of the proof, If your not just flapping your lips, (Don't work for Tiscali) & really want the truth, then ring them & ask them if they shape,filter,block,disrupt, P2P traffic in any shape or form.
Insist for solicitor purposes that you want there reply in writing.
Also tell them that to save misunderstanding, You are recording this conversation.
See if you get your evidence now.
sorry if ive offended you in my response, Im just sad that such a big company
can obtain money under false pretenses & I for one Welcome them to charge me with liable for directly calling them Thieves, as thats exactly what they are.
Your servant,
peace.

i didn't know it was (pot|int)entially offensive until then!.. anyway, doesn't matter: you've misunderstood the intent behind me asking for proof. i'm not at all out to defend tiscali. i'm intending on taking some action against them and i really would like some hard, technical, specific, unequivolcal evidence/proof (what's the difference between those?) of some kind if possible, or a method to get that evidence/proof. (a) i just want to be absolutely sure (before throwing myself into this), and (b) i want to have something i can refer to -- something to use.

i know p2p software is unusable for more than 12 hours every day via tiscali (although it fluctuates a lot which is part of the problem -- it just so happened that today i got bittorrent downloads downloading at a semi/slightly reasonable speed up until about 3 or 4pm -- this is quite unusual though for me) and at the same time p2p is unusable web pages and email are useable. what i don't know for an asbolute fact is that they are blocking p2p use.

ok consider this (it's probably not right but how do i/we know for sure?) possibility: p2p/limewire connections are more flakey than common or garden web page connections and email connections etc. as the traffic via a particular, i don't know, exchange or whatever, starts to reach maximum capacity limewire/p2p software is the first to fall apart -- fail to work. now that isn't tiscali outrightly blocking p2p, it's their system becoming overloaded and it's lw being the first to show stress signs because of its nature. i'm not saying this is what is happening but i'd like some way to be sure it's not the case.

one problem is i don't know enough about networking etc. it seems rediculously complicated (firewalls, nat, ports, etc. bloody etc.). so many different parts/party's equipment which plays a part. in fact it's probably that hazyness of the whole thing (v. technical, and v. hard to pin down) that allows tiscali to get away with it. i'd like to have a go at stopping them getting away with it. no harm in trying is there?

johnyboy Hi
You Say.
"and at the same time p2p is unusable web pages and email are useable. what i don't know for an asbolute fact is that they are blocking p2p use."

The reason for this is, Email & Web surfing are HTML, Http & other protocol's P2P use UDP & TCP protocol's, So they filter packets of UDP & TCP & they have some
exceptions listed, that they allow through, like your essential services.

This is hypothetical to help explain!!
Pisscali have sold 200mbs to 20 customers, each 10mbs unlimited,
They only have 100mbs total.
The reasoning of this is that the people wont all be on line at the same time, BUT they got it wrong, 75% of the people are on line at the same time & Pisscali's servers are overloaded, So they are in breach of contract, because
they cannot meet demand, So they are obtaining money under false pretenses, witch is Theft.
You say.
"possibility: p2p/limewire connections are more flakey than common or garden web page connections and email connections etc. as the traffic via a particular, i don't know, exchange or whatever, starts to reach maximum capacity limewire/p2p software is the first to fall apart -- fail to work."

My connections are fine!!, at any one time I am connected to others for 18 to 30 hours at a time,lets say an average of as little as 10 hours, per connection thats other P2P users, I purposely choose good connections.
How dose that compare to Tiscali friend.

Must get on with my service!! give me your thoughts,
Your servant.
Peace.

Seems to be the answer.
 

Dear All,
I have just read the day/evening arguments. I have run LW and it works. It is 10:30 am.
Maybe they are blocking evening traffic.
I am on Homecall.
Regards,
The Baron :idea:

I have posted loads on these threads,YES TISCALI/PIPEX/HOMECALL are throttling heavy users of p2p,so are many other ISP's,you will NOT get a straight answer from the ISP's,phone or write you will get nowhere! change ISP and or get LWire pro latest version,the encryption built in will let you connect at anytime,this was a brilliant move by LWire, only problem is,that now ISP's are changing tack slightly,for me anyway,if i am using lwire,i now cannot connect to anything else!! ie google,email,updates or anything! hence not posting for a while,can't connect to forums when using LWire at all!
They are fighting back it seems!
Anyone out there have an idea about this?
N2:confused::confused::mad2::mad2: