'Miser' Sharers on the network - A Special Kind!
 

The topic of this thread could mean many different people including those who choose not to share at all. 'Leeches' who suck your files from you but never give anything back.
On this occasion this topic is referring to a specific type of sharer. Those who share 'some' files, but remove them from their library as soon as someone starts to download them, or as soon as possible after they download them.

I've noticed this in recent months I've browsed a host, generally from upload window. I've selected one of their files to download. It immediately goes to 'Need More Sources' status. Same thing happens with the next file & the next. I repeatedly cancel the download & reselect from browse host results. Same result each time.

I discovered why this was happening after I downloaded two & a half small files from one host, I sent them a Chat message. They told me they were removing these particular files from their library. They were uploading from me whilst this was happening. :shoot: I did not ban this host due to their honesty. I have found some people remove all the files they initially show in their share library after browsing them.

The cheek of people removing files from their Shares whilst they are uploading from me!!! :eek: I very frequently Browse hosts uploading me when I am able to in hope they share similar files I am seeking. ;)

I ban each host I find who does this. They will never get any more of my multiple thousands of files again if I can help it. ;) I would love to pass a blacklist of these ip addresses around to all other people who do genuinely share files. However forum rules does not permit me. There are other means of 'sharing' this information however if I get annoyed enough about it. :)

Of course they could be DDOS'd with the assistance of people's friends. woot! I'd hate to think of anybody doing that. :( ;)

Good thread Lord! :xeri_ok1ani: You've just said exactly what I've been thinking for ages now!

I personally have plenty to say on this subject and related matters....

I've been gradually getting more and more irritated about this over the weeks (though believe me, 'irritated' is an understatement) ;)
As if it's not bad enough that 95% of people who download from me are leeches :mad2: - the ones who DO share are far from blameless themselves!
I've been noticing over time that when I browse the very small amount who ARE sharing (albeit dodgy porn and loads of foreign crap that nobody would want anyway :rolleyes: (no offence to anyone outside the UK before anyone starts :p ;)), I might happen to find a few 'proper' files I rather fancy and start to download them.... only to find that once they've got the files they want from me - they go off off-line - before I'm even a third of the way through sometimes!
MAN - does that get my back up!! How I LOVE the 'I'm alright Jack' attitude!! :rolleyes:
A prime example.... the other day someone was downloading files from me two at a time; ended up with about six in all.
After my initial shock that someone was *actually* sharing lol, I browsed them, found some songs I wanted and started downloading them.
I should've known it was too good to be true :rolleyes: They got what they wanted, then all of a sudden that 'dreaded' 'Awaiting Sources' appeared on all my partially completed downloads. :bangh:
The host appeared about 10 minutes later and when I browsed them again, the downloads I'd tried to get from them previously had mysteriously 'disappeared' from his list of files!!
Nowadays I just make a note of their IP address in Filters and if they've got the bare faced cheek to visit me again, I find muchos pleasures are achieved by waiting 'til they're 99% done - then banning the greedy, selfish little sods!! :laugh_2::yahoo:
(I would've used a few choice stronger words, believe me - but I figured it wouldn't go down too well with the Mods) :D

lmao :rofl: I've done similar before adding them to the banned list. Of course many people have dynamic ip addresses. I've come across same hosts after banning their previous ip address.

We all know browsing host is not reliable, especially from upload window. However, the sudden 'Need More Sources' is now an obvious sign to me 'if' they are still uploading from me & continuous efforts to continue the file fail.

Yes I see that happening often too with hosts going offline after they get what they want. It's when they remove the files I was downloading that really frustrates me.

Glad to see you feel the same way. It's unbelievable people can behave in such a selfish (& cruel) manner.

Stronger words might have been caught by the forum censors lol :D ... but deserved toward them!

BTW like your avatar, looks great! ;)

Thank you :) Nice to hear some positive whateverness today after the afternoon I've had!

After the initial shock today of someone in my upload window actually sharing :eek: - I thought I'd give 'em a browse.... found something I'd been looking for for ages. Most happy I was!! :cool:

Well to cut a long short, their speed quite obviously wasn't as fast as mine - and the best part of 7 hours later, there we still both were!
(It was a whole album)
Not a problem as far as I was concerned; was kinda planning on being here for the best part of the evening anyway....

Then, completely out the blue (and 97% in, I hasten to add!)- I get the "Need More Sources" message....
I was NOT a happy bunny!

WHY would you stay on line for that amount of time, knowing someone's downloading from you - then bugger off at 97%?? :bangh: :mad2:

Rant over. Sorry - am just *still* SO angry!!

Are you sure it's just to annoy you. Lots of people use laptops nowadays. They might be forced to go offline to use ít elsewhere.

Just sayin', because that was the case with me for the three years I attended college. It didn't matter if people were at 99.9%. Once I had to log off or be late for school or I was meeting up with schoolmates to do work, I logged off.

And just to add to that... I live in a suburb where the power goes out often. Losing power for 2 hours or more ~ once a month is pretty normal & little outages of 10 minutes to half an hour every so often (sometimes twice weekly, sometimes only happens every couple of weeks).

So in my case, I'd just vanish from the network & it would have nothing to do with me making a decision to disconnect.

Yes I agree with Birdy & Sleepless that can be an issue, people may log off for any reason.

However, sometimes you recognise same hosts. They have same few shared files ... but with a few extra ones. (Or same ip address or similar & uploading same type of files from me, or some of my files in their shares, etc.) But they seem to remove the extra files when you start to download them.

Slightly different scenario:
A person who has been uploading my files over a few nights, I chose to download one song from them on the first night. It immediately went into 'Busy Host' status. Each night it remained in that status the entire time for 1-3 hours each of those nights. Occasionally I'd try to push it, using the resume button or cancel & reselect from listing (being careful not to push often & get banned for the session). They simply logged out after finishing uploading their files from me. This person was sharing over 300 files. Makes me wonder if all their upload slots were really so busy, or whether they had any upload slots at all. None of the files they downloaded from me were in their shares.

The above scenario is common with hosts who use Shareaza for example (they use multiple networks). However this was a LW host. Perhaps they were uploading a torrent to someone; anyone's guess.

After calming down, I realised I'd kinda overreacted slightly. :rolleyes: :o

It was just one of those days; nothing was going right - and then this.... the proverbial straw.
(The hangover from hell due to the previous night's celebrations of a friend's birthday prob'ly didn't help much either....) ;) :D

I've used Limewire long enough now to know that there are plenty of reasons why people have to log off (or *are* logged off).
It's happened to me in the past - my connection's gone down, the screen's frozen, etc etc....
Guess I wasn't really thinking about the whys and wherefores at the time; was just so annoyed at the fact I'd only got 3% to go....

Anyways - apologies for going off on one.... ;)


(It'll serve me right now if he/she isn't back on here for another month!) :D

It's a shame that LW doesn't track share ratios. DL speeds could be restricted for peers with low rates of sharing.

Kazaa users were able to disconnect from downloaders. Many users disconnected anyone who was not sharing.

And then there are those who share everything - even bogus files. I feel it is my duty to check out a file before leaving it for others to download.

:xeri_ok1ani: I absolutely agree!

I can't believe how many people on here just take take take....

I've been on here since around midday and had untold amounts of people downloading my files.... yet only four of them were sharing!!
This scenario has been going on ever since I've been using Limewire.... which I hasten to add is quite a while....

Now I don't mind letting the leeches have the odd one or two tracks - but when you get an unsharing host downloading two at a time, disappearing for a while, then coming back to do another couple - and so on and so on....
I mean - honestly! Do they really think that by leaving a gap, I'm not gonna realise what they're up to?? :rolleyes:
I'm like a hawk when it comes to IP addresses ;)

And whilst I'm here, a really big bugbear of mine is when these all these lovely selfish little leeches stick their 'Chat' icon on....
What's all that about?? Cheeky little 'baskets'! ;)

Vuse (Azureus) slows downloads down once the share ratio drops below a certain percentage, & gets slower & slower the worse the ratio gets. It does this until share ratio recovers again.

It would be good if gnutella / gnutella programs had a similar ability.

Yes I've seen so many people sharing junk. Some accidentally. Some sharing rubbish that obviously nobody wants.
Whilst some people might not share for special reasons, those who leech with a nasty approach as described in first post are despicable.

lol @ PickaxeFairy's last sentence. :)

And another thing.... :p

Leeching is bad enough - but if you're gonna do it, at least have a decent speed!

I am so sick of all these people in my upload window who can't seem to get above 0KB/s! :rolleyes:
All this results in is every 10 seconds or so, everyone's upload speeds - however good they were initially - do nothing but fluctuate at ridiculous rates for silly amounts of time....
Thus slowing everyone down to stupidly stupid speeds.
:mad2:

I love Limewire, use it loads - but honestly.... there are hosts on here sometimes who just make me want to commit murder!

Last night I was connected to someone with a T3 connection speed setting. My download was fluctuating between 1-3 KB/s, mostly at the zero to 1 KB/s. Plus, it kept going into busy host. I had a few downloads from this person, forced them to start occasionally via resume but same thing. This person was downloading from me at 20-50 KB/s. Yes I had browsed them, checked some of the files they were sharing. They were sharing less than 200 files (perhaps 180), so made me wonder if they were really that busy. Perhaps upload speed setting (they were using LW 4.18.8)

But these types of users will always be around. Of course many people think single-mindedly about using LW to get free music, etc. so only use it to please themselves & do not wish to please anybody else. lol :D Fact of life unfortunately.

You devil you :D ;)

I think the word you're looking for is 'baskets'
( ;) :D )

You jest. Surely?

:D

I've suspected for a while, there is a problem between LW 4 users sharing to LW 5 users. I have a lot of upload problems to many LW 5 users. Post #208 Limewire 5 sucks half way down page.

This is one reason the IM should be in better shape.Many times I have had to log out and I am not able to inform people when I will be back.However I always come backWith what I left with.

Thanks for that Lord. :cool:

Not sure if the problem is just Limewire 5 though....?

Doesn't seem to matter what version people are using (in my case anyway)
I'm using Version 4.18.8.
My upload window slots are constantly fluctuating, mainly going backwards and sticking at 0KB/s.

The other day I was losing the will to live
A 6 minute file, nothing major - yet as soon as I started to download, it rapidly went backwards, stuck at 0KB/s for ages, then went to Awaiting Sources. This continued for the best part of 4 hours!
Funny thing was though, every time I right clicked on said file, it continued downloading quite happily.
Well for 10 seconds at a time anyway :rolleyes:

What's with the Awaiting Sources message? How come I'm still able to download despite aforementioned 'message'?
:confused:

My personal problems with downloading/uploading
 

I have to confess, I've cancelled uploads of files.
But they were currently being downloaded!!
I've tried fixing this problem by simply "unsharing" files that I'm currently downloading - but you can't "unshare" files that aren't being "shared" in the first place!!
My library shows that the same file is unable to be shared since it is incomplete - so, please, explain how this same file is able to be found and then uploaded?!
It's frustrating enough when waiting to finish a big file (think video) and having to wait DAYS in order to get a decent download stream...and just when you've finally found the rest of the file, someone (or very often, several someones) start uploading the same file you're presently downloading!
I don't mind sharing, in fact I love sharing my favorites!
It's just that I don't understand how this is beneficial to anyone - how can someone be expected to "share" a file that isn't even completed?
I'm starting to wonder if this isn't just a problem I've been experiencing...would definitely explain why so many of my files seem to "stall" after partial download...maybe I'm just downloading incomplete files from others that are still searching for the completed files, also!?
Has anyone found a way to fix this problem? LOL
Kinda funny, trying to fix something that technically shouldn't exist!
I mean, why bother to "share" or "unshare" if the file can still be found and uploaded?

somewhere in the tools>options category should be the option of sharing partial files...uncheck the box...

Unfortunately, LW 5.1.2 doesn't have that option...at least not directly.
There is the option of checking a box that says you will "only share files selected at that point"...or you can opt to also share all new files downloaded to library.
It's an either/or type of choice.
After your post, I changed it to only share files at that point, but not sure if this will help since incomplete files don't show up as being shared anyways.
I'll post back after a few days to let everyone know if this changed the problem...or not.
Thanks!

Your issue is Partial File Sharing. And you are correct that there is no option to turn this off in LW 5. This is not the same as sharing your incomplete folder. But similar. It's a similar process used for torrents also, that parts of the file you have already downloaded, you upload to others. This overall helps speed up downloads for everyone. And if you are downloading from multiple hosts, chances are some of those are actually partial file sharing the file; the other person does not yet have the entire file. This is one reason why for very large files such as video files, you tend to lose hosts as you get over 90% downloaded. Partial Sharing is fantastic for the network & benefits everyone.

Only LW 4 has an option to disable Partial File Sharing.

There is the other option of Tools -> Options -> Downloads, option of Share files downloaded from the P2P Network with the P2P Network. This means the files get shared after 100% completion of downloading.

I guess in some ways one could argue that the inability to turn off partial file sharing helps stop total 'leeching' by those who do not wish to share any files whatsoever.

(On a side-note, whilst using LW 4.16 I found an odd situation last night. I had partial file sharing turned off, share immediately after downloading turned off, yet I had lots of people in upload window attempting to get a file I was downloading, even after the video download completed. The upload message was "File could not be found". lol Some kind of bug I suspect. ... I share 8,500 file btw. I have partial file sharing & finished downloaded file sharing turned off so I can check the file first before consideration of sharing.)

I wouldn't call that a bug...its most likely because the file was listed as completed and shared for just a moment and that information was spread around the network's caches via the UPs...soooo...others see you as a source for the file, want it, yet by the time a connection is made with you its out of shares...

My LW's setting is not to share 100% completed files. So at no time should it have been communicated to the network it was shared. Basically from moment of beginning of downloading to after completion, it should not have been shared at any point.

Only time i turn on Partial File sharing is if my uploads are a little quiet.

point taken...again I am guilty of speed reading a post and missing a vital point...


as a BS user I've seen that message a lot of times from supposed sources of a file....

and perhaps its not really a 'bug' rather something included into the program so that 'others' can track content on the network...you know, those 'people' LW has been 'working with'...in theory if you don't partial share and don't share completed downloads then you should never be listed as a source (i.e. in possession) of a file...this 'bug' allows downloaders to be 'detected' by people who are not the source of the file....

Well...it's been several weeks, and no matter how I choose to "share", I still have the same problem!
But another odd thing happened to me...i found myself on the exact opposite side!
I had searched for documents, and found one particular user had a lot of what I was needing...so I clicked on "view files".
It showed this person wasn't sharing ANY documents, yet I was currently downloading 2 and had already downloaded 3 others!
Yes, I was able to get entire downloads...even when the user had yet to add them to the "shared" portion of their library!
Many other types of files were shown...just not documents.

I also had an entirely different problem with another user...it got me so upset I didn't get back on for nearly a week!
Seems every file I tried to download was conveniently "unshared" by the user...was still online and was still able to access files, just not the ones I was trying to download. Even deleted almost whole files (over 90% complete), searched again, and found nothing! Just makes me wonder...especially since this user had no idea who was trying to download files...how bored do you have to be to sit and watch your uploads just so you can quickly "unshare" the same file? Why share at all if you're going to go through the hassle I describe?

I'm really starting to agree with you all and wonder if these are really "users"! Too many weird things I've found lately! Really thinking about totally leaving. Would miss it, but you know the old addage...just because you're paranoid, doesn't mean that people aren't out to get you! LOL

Forgot to mention in earlier post...
Yes...I download a lot...but also share more than 5000 files.
I nearly always limit my downloads to 3 at a time...and will even cut down to 1 at a time if only able to find 1 or 2 users to download from.
Yes...this tends to increase my time online drastically...but I think it's proper "netiquette" in order to make sure that everyone is able to share.
Just wish others felt the same "netiquette" urges as I do!
Just getting increasingly harder to not get upset...especially after I see the long list of uploads!

LW's browse host function has always been quite unreliable. What I do after a browse search has finished, I choose Get/Find More Results several times, also rebrowse them from scratch. Sometimes when using the Get More results tool the browse search tab disappears because it failed. But still, this is a handy extra to use when browsing people.

There definitely are people out there who unshare files. Perhaps because they have their settings to share files upon completed downloading, but then wish to get the files out of public view. lol ... it might be because they are at work, or because someone in their family might look over their shoulder lol ... whatever reason, it's highly annoying to other users .. and tends to suggest they are simply leechers (in the gnutella sharing sense of the word ... torrent leecher has a different meaning. Gnutella meaning = take but no desire to give back.)

there should be rules that if you are not sharing then you cannot get anything also.
p2p is suppossedly "sharing"...give and take...

Well I've cancelled an upload, but it wasn't for the sake of playing games. There seems to be only one version of "edited" circulating, which is an unskilfully made webcam version. For a start the camera was not held straight and the picture is on a slant. Having got it twice from Rapidshare and both times deleted it immediately I tried a torrent and got the same version again. I cancelled the seeding, despite getting a warning message, and deleted the file from my shared folder. I may be on someone's blacklist, but my conscience is clear. When I get a good quality copy then I'll share it, but not before.

M