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Why was multiple source Download never implemented???? This is the biggest feature that is missing from gnutella, and so far, XoloX is the only one who has implemented it. XoloX had other problems as a client that prevented it from its full potential, however the simple fact that you could download from multiple sources, made it kick the crap out of all other clients speed wise. WHY DOESN'T LIMEWIRE SUPPORT MULTIPLE SOURCE DOWNLOADS???? I THINK THIS IS WHAT THE GNUTELLA CLIENTS NEED MORE THAN ANYTHING!!! on xolox, it was common to see download speeds of over 100K/S!!! i have NEVER seen a DL that fast on Limewire or Bearshare!!! whats the deal? Multiple source downloads has one of the major requests of clients for a long time, and yet it seems nothing has been done about it! |
Its planed for the defender! Morgwen |
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My admi told me... and he donīt lies... He asked Vinnie, so if this is not true... I didnīt wait for defender so long and supported it... Becker I think is better you leave now, go back to bearshare.net play there with the other kids and if you wake up and see reality come back again and we can discuss... I am no liar... if this is not true Vinnie is lying... and if Vinnie is lying I will not support his product anymore, I will leave bearshare and your gang who made false promises to us... All the time was wasted... Morgwen |
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Oh if you can delete my account. Becker BTW sorry Morgwen i wasnt calling you a liar i just wanted to know how you knew. and once again i am sorry. |
Becker! I sorry too... but I am waiting for this legendary defender for a long time... So it is time for defender, tell this Vinnie or more people will leave... Morgwen |
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Sephiroth think its no good idea: http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...&threadid=5661 But this is only one opinion! Yes the world of opinions... Vinnie donīt listen to the people, some of them have good ideas... But Vinnie knows what he do... Morgwen P.S.: Compared with Morpheus, bearshare is a joke... But this is only my opinion! |
list.. hehe.. i could get you a list of things vinnie changed cause of suggestions :) I went and read that post it seemed to be more about how to stop the RIAA from getting some info. I was personaly picked out buy a company. they download an mp3 from me and sent my ISP a noticed. My ISP asked me to stop sharing that file.. notice they didnt say to stop using the program to do this but to stop sharing that file. well since i never listion to the song anyway i deleted and still have my cable modem :) What i really like about the private server and privacy mode in bearshare was that i could have a supernode up and running and have my family login in to that supernode and download family pictures or family news. things i really dont care if people get but they really shouldnt have it you know? so to turn it in to a made for company software. If they company runs a supernode with protected passwords and keeps files private then the works can log in to the supernode at work then go home login again and download what they need from work. or talk to other works.. morgwen may i ask what kind of connection you use? i also tryed morphus. i didnt really know how to set it up i got it working. The only thing i dont like about it is the build in player and i downloaded 2 files with the same name. that could get confusing. i didnt notice to much of a speed differnce with 3 host on a vidoe download. what i really think it comes down to is how you connect. if you can only send and receive 56Kb then thats all you will ever get no? i dont know..but i wish i did. Becker |
Becker, I use DSL 768k down, 128k up... I have never reached with bearshare 70KB... with Morpheus this is no problem, try it once more and you will see what the people really like: - multiple download - auto-resume - auto-research - chat/IM - etc. All this is missing in bearshare... and all this we suggested months ago... And we heared, wait for the defender... Does this legendary defender exist? I mean is there a version after the alpha release 16? The world of legends and fantasy... Morgwen P.S.: Send you a PM! |
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You listed the features in morphus. i edited to make this post shorter. Auto resume is in bearshare but with many drawl backs. If the person you are downlaoding off of changes IP you are screwed. another was chat and IM.. there was much debate at BS.net about this. The way defender did chat was nice. you only were in a chat if you joined a supernode. and you didnt have to go in to the chat. I would not like a IM setup. people bugging me about my downloads while i am away and i come back to 50 messages.. :( But i will try morphus once again. .. if u can give me thier website that is :) Becker |
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Morpheus http://www.zeropaid.com/morpheus/ Edonkey http://www.zeropaid.com/edonkey/ If you wanna test more, check http://www.zeropaid.com/php/pc_prog.php Better run AdAware after every installation. :) Greets, Moak |
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Hi Becker! I send you Morpheus via mail! :) If you want? Morgwen |
nah i will try later on. i downloaded Edonkey. i cant figure how to connect :( so i cant search :( i cry.. Becker |
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dont worry about it!! :) cause isnt it the same network? Becker |
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haha I have a bout 20 queues for this file and only two transfers...then speed..12.. 12 what!? and whats unmasked mean? can make the queues start to transfer? if not this file will take 11 hours.. but this file avi type wouldnt take me so long on BS :) Becker |
Hi Becker queued means the server is busy but the request is queued and the transfer will start than the server is free! On bearshare you have faster downloads... sure it is possible but people with 1 Mbit line are very seldom... and than you will get only a "few files" faster... What is if you want to download an avi but you find only 10 modem user? With bearshare this is a problem but not with Morpheus or eDonkey... and as I mentioned the amount of files is much bigger because they donīt support freeloading as bearshare does... do you remenber between 70 - 90 %... I found avis on eDonkey which I never found on Gnutella! Let me repeat Morpheus and eDonkey are faster and you find much more files! Becker what do mean why Morpheus and eDonkey are so popular? Because bearshare is faster and better??? :D No Becker see the reality, donīt close your eyes like Vinnie! Morgwen |
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I would really like to see.. but my AVI didnt finish!! people where sharing and i noticed that i was forced to share as well. I think that sucks for modem users even thought they can set the speed limits. I will be trying a few things. like setting the limit out to 1 :) like freeloading but not.. i usally find alot of 1 MB connects on BS but i guess its when you connect and such things. I didnt like how poeple where downloading off of me before i finshed the file. that confused me.. And whats with those weird *** status bars? i change edonkeys interface and its pretty cool. I can really see how the muti download thing is really sweet now so i hope to see this soon in bearshare :) Becker |
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It is time... Morgwen |
I must have said it a thousand times already. The ability of downloading from multiple servers is something that leaves many Gnutella clients in disadvantage against other file sharing programs like Morpheus. This is quite annoying especially when you download large files. If this was implemented, then nothing would stop these clients. Ivan "In the dark we make a brighter light" |
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File sharing saga Has anyone ever seen posted a really good comparison of the various gnutella clients? From what I've seen in most forums, how people feel about a certain p2p program is more subjective then objective. And I think this is understandable. I cut my teeth on Bearshare. I was amazed at all it offered and instantly considered file sharing the next big thing. I thought what a great concept - swapping files anonymously with my fellow man. Soon I was installing a cable modem and checking out other p2p programs. The first thing I noticed was that some programs wanted you to register a login name and pw (ie morpheous). Not very private as far as I'm concerned. [Why don't I ever hear any one complain about this?] The other thing I noticed was that most other p2p user interfaces did not seem to be as robust as Bearshare. Gnucleus seemed to be too quirky. It's easy to get spoiled by Bearshare's features. Then I tried Xolox. Multiple download over Gnutella? I was skeptical. Then I loaded it and it was even worse. Where were the setup options? Why can't I control uploads? Where are the status bars? And did someone beat up the GUI with an ugly stick or what? But I gave it a shot and what I found was that file download success was drastically increased. How many times did I see a much wanted file get past 90% and then see 'refused' in Bearshare. I feel compelled to believe this is another bearshare guy shutting the pc down or dropping me for whatever reason. In xolox, it just picks up the rest from someone else. Auto-resume really becomes useful in a multi-threaded download product. What's more, although I disagree with the programmers philosophy of forcing me to share files, I think, in the end, it made me a more responsible sharer. And it is somewhat comforting knowing others using xolox can't just arbitrarily stop my upload without a little effort. I started to leave xolox always on and share a substantial amount of files. Now Xolox is gone (so to speak) and I am lost. I still use Bearshare, it works great. But it's not my choice for constant uploads for various reasons. IMHO The next most important step for Bearshare to take is to figure out multi-threaded up/downloads. There is no greater user friendly option then this. I guess I'll check out eDonkey (but what's up with that name)? |
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I was contacted buy a company.. i for get the name cause i deleted the email. They downloaded a file off of me {using BS} and squealed to my ISP! My ISP said delete the file.. they didnt say stop sharing..just delete that one file.. hehe.. nothing is Anoymouse[not spelt right]. as long as you have an IP you can be tracked.. maybe daisy change 5 proxys then its a bit to costly to tract ya... :) but do any programs have proxy support? Becker |
It's a matter of degrees Sure...But I think your mixing anonymity with privacy. I understand p2p is not completely private. Back when I started using Bearshare, I didn't understand this as well as I do today. I call it anonymous because people may see my IP address, but they don't know who I am. I guess they can call my ISP, but I'm not sure they will get my name (Hmmm....come to think of it, I'd better take a closer look at that contract). As far as privacy is concerned, I would still argue that polling for an ID, PW, and email account to register a p2p program is less private and not anonymous at all. I could be wrong here, but if they are recording this info centrally to track usage, connections, etc. (which may be used legitimately to make the network more efficient) then it's available for someone to look at. FYI - It sounds like your ISP is not so bad. Many of the stories I've read along similar lines usually result in a disconnection of service. |
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So I ask you if all people have the oppurtunity to "free" load where do you want to get your files from? Actually the most files are shared by 5% of the peers... The main reason why Morpheus and eDonkey are so popular is that they donīt support freeloading, the avaibility of the files is much bigger as on Gnutella... Gnutella lives through sharing if nobody shares Gnutella will be dead... So I asked you for a second where you want to download your files if nobody shares? Stop crying if you disagree with such features... Morgwen |
t hings. Yes my ISP is very cool. its also cable! i worked on the Defender project for bearshare when it was out. They way the chat was set up you need a Name and that was it. NO passwords or emails [passwords needed for private severs, email could be listed along with AIM and ICQ info]. As for freeloading..couldnt i remove those folders from my sharing list? I never tried it. Bearshare would have that problem in which it can easly been taken off. ANd Or you can change the folder to where the downloads would be put. Now what would be nice is if you cant remove the folder that you download to.. so if they change one it would chaning in the sharing setup? yes yes... Becker |
Becker! Perhaps we cannot stop freeloading 100%... but we donīt need to support it... Morpheus and eDonkey didnīt support it... But for Gnutella it is normal that the most people "free" load... Ok better than thinking about alternatives we kill the gnet now! Yes very good solution! :( Morgwen |
hey.. as long as the protcol is open source.. i will have my own network working.. :Þ I just need to learn some more VC and C programming.. Becker |
Becker, Morgwen I'd hardly call my comments crying. And I'm not sure why I'm suddenly under attack as a 'freeloader' since I thought I made it abundantly clear that I don't condone such actions. I still don't agree with the philosophy that forces sharing. It treats people like idiots and doesn't address the root of the problem. Gnutella is dead? Please. If it's so bad why are you moderating a Bearshare forum? When Napster sold out where did everyone go to? Gnutella. Now that Fasttrack network has to deal with lawsuits how long will do you think Morpheous will last? And where will all these folks go? Gnutella. "Actually the most files are shared by 5% of the peers..." Yea? So? If you want that percentage to go up then you need more people to dedicate their machines for longer periods of time. It's a basic p2p principle. Most people log on, get what they want, and drop off - plain and simple. That's not good but that's the real problem. Software is not going to fix that. Discussion, education, and open forums will. Once you give in and say it's OK for software to limit your ability to do something, it just gets worse and worse. And as you've nicely illustrated in subsequent reply's, your already thinking up more ways to lock down the user from doing anything at all. That direction will ultimately ruin p2p file sharing for everyone. This is a community, not a social experiment. Let freedom reign |
I dont remember calling you a free loader but i am sorry if i implied this. I dont agree with Morgwen when he said Gnet is dead.. i think its not living to its fullest ablity. One thing i do like about bearshare it gives you a lot of control on what you.. weather its bad or good.. The program and service is free.. the least people can do is share some files. so i think its best to make some one share the folder they download in to. Becker :) |
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I didnīt call you a feeloader, I said that the most people are freeloaders (70 - 90%)... it is a difference... I never said that Gnutella is dead, I said Gnutella "will be" dead if nobody shares... And my last sentence was no offend against you... but many people are crying in the forums I cannot find my files but nobody thinks about sharing! You say most people get what they want and leave... yes this is right and they should share at least this time they get their files... Let me repeat Gnutella lives through sharing if nobody shares Gnutella will die! So if you disagree with such features that force people to share you diagree with the simplest P2P rule - sharing! Because most of the people donīt want to share... so I ask you why should I share my files if nobody wants to share his? Morgwen |
No offense taken Becker, Morgwen No offense taken. I read both your posts again and I jumped to an incorrect conclusion. These things can happen when you think your integrity is being questioned. Sorry for that. I appreciate both your replies. Morgwen, I've thought about your question "why should anyone share if no one is going to". I guess I have faith that most people will do the right thing if they know what the right thing is. I realize there are 'freeloaders' who take the attitude that they are going to download only and contribute nothing back. I've had arguments with friends because they don't share and don't get it. When I've asked them about why they aren't sharing, I find that for the most part, they just don't understand the implications and are generally misinformed. Some of them think its a terrible risk to share out their files or that they will make their PC vulnerable to viruses and attack. Others just want the conveinience of finding what they need and logging out (they don't want to wait for that person who is uploading a 20 meg file over the phone). The last group are the folks who don't want to share. I tend to think that the people in the first two groups are more than willing to do their part if they learn some facts and take more then a casual interest in file sharing. If I apply the logic that the program will now force sharing to each of these groups, here is what I see: For those that have an undo fear of sharing, they may leave and never come back. For those who want quick access, they will login, get what they want, and log out as they have always done. And the last group of people who don't want to share are generally motivated enough to find ways to circumvent software sharing schemes. To me this sounds like, because of some bad apples, you are all not to be trusted, so love it or leave it. I think, in the long term, people will leave it. Something better will come along which in thier eyes, trusts them to do the right thing, rather then imply that they won't. Perhaps I am an idealist. Might I ask your question a bit differently? Why should I be forced to share files with my program when there are other people that don't have to with their program? If everyone took this attitude, no one would share. And yet sharing does exist. Thanks |
yes.. i share few files.. sadly my upstream is a little slow. i also share files that ifound it was hard to find.. why should i share that music file that ever one else. has? 99 red ballons.. how many covers can there be of that song? haha :) what i am saying is its important to share files but its also important to share files that are rare and differnt files.. i think thats what i mean. Becker |
Please share Gnutella works with a code of honour. Nobody forces you to share, but if you are going to download files, the least you could do is let other people download from you. Ivan "In the dark we make a brighter light" |
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For the Morpheus and eDonkey users it is normal to share, because they have to... As backmann said Gnutella lives throught the code of honour but the most people donīt know what this is... A small discussion between Moak and me: http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...&threadid=4613 So I can understand why people "free" load but I cannot understand why they donīt share... The features Moak discribe could duble the files within Gnutella! Morgwen |
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Nena is a German band, the orginal song is written in German... The German title: "99 Luftballons" I have all CDs! :) Morgwen |
haha Yes. i know its german.. :) i like the german very better then the english. But some band made a punk cover of it that isnt 1/2 bad :) Becker |
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