Frostwire crashing
 

well i have been having problems with frostwire and limewire bothcrashing, i have the latest java installed and what not, i had gone so far as to just downloading the java runtime to try and keep it from crashing (just closing on it's own) shortly after starting this the log that i had it make.
hope this log will help you all firgure something out, i have been having this problem on both laptop one an acer 3002lci and other a toshiba te2100 one xp home sp2 and other xp pro sp2. both almost completely new install with very little installed on both of em.

Were you using Java 1.4.2 before this with any problems? If not, uninstall Java 1.5 using your Add/remove programs control panel. Then install Java 1.4.2 http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.2/download.html (Choose the JRE) & choose the "Offline" version & see if it makes any difference.

Yes it is a Java crash and not a FW crash. Do as LODR told.

Ciao

trying to get it now and try, thanks

well did the java install 1.4 but still same thing, seems like it crashes as soon as it connects to the network, I can play around with the software if i don't have it connect, but as soon as it connects it goes *POOF* and it's gone

here is the log from the last crash

Do you use a spyware program & if yes, which one? As far as I can ascertain, it appears that bmi_lsp.dll is causing a conflict with your Java. See http://www.spywaredata.com/spyware/m...mi_lsp.dll.php which is a part of System Spyware Interrogator. It seems that's what's offered by AOL http://www.spywaredata.com/spyware/s...ware-about.php

I'm aware AOL offers a spyware program that is not compatible with LW & it appears FW also.

Other possible sources of this file & references are: 1. http://castlecops.com/lsp-10.html
2. experts-exchange.com, __ 3. expansys.ch/forum, __ 4. suggestafix.com, __ 5. webuser.co.uk/forums, 6. geekstogo.com/forum, __ 7. hmailserver.jonasblanck.com/forum, __ 8. cexx.org boards,
9. http://gtec.cjb.cc/lsp.htm

I guess the question is, is this .dll really necessary for any devices on your system? I would recommend going to NorbiesWorld (click on link) to find this out.

nope no spy ware these systems are clean installs except firefix and the stuff that came with it, and free download manager, haven't even put norton on yet because i wanted to make sure that it wasn't going to be causing a problem.
am doing a search on the dll in question atm. will see what i can find.

ok this is what i have come up with so far, that dll is needed by limewire and frost wire, that dll is used by my sprint pcs connection. if i rename the file i get a message "Limewire was unable to initialize and start. This is usually due to a firewall program blocking LimeWire's access to the internet or looback connections on the local machine. Please allow LimeWire access to the intenet and restart LimeWire." same message for for frostwire but names reversed ;) so i will see about updating that software and see what it will do.

That's why I suggested going to Norbie's world to ask what the dll is used for & whether it can be removed (Norbie doesn't only help with virii, etc. but also general system problems.) I noticed at least 2 of the links I left they recommended removing it. But if it is a necessary file for LW & FW then leave it.

But that's quite a severe Java crash you're getting. It looks as though it's totally failing. And the error seems to stem from that dll. But perhaps the dll is not the cause but just an item in a chain of actions but the one that Java sees as failing. ie: the origin of the failure may be in an earlier step. I'm not windows savvy enough to know. But as you said, it seems to affect both LW & FW.

I notice you're using laptops. Have you been to their support sites to see if those particular models have any issues? Are they networked & how are they networked?

Did LW & FW work ok before? Or is this your 1st time using both LW & FW? Any changes to system that might have changed things? Anything you can think of that might have affected them before this started happening?

well thanks to them links you posted i found that that dll was with my pcs connection manager, so i went found a newer version and tried it and it worked :) so now what to use frost wire or lime wire? ;)

Fantastic ... so you sorted the problem?!! Well choice of program is yours. Some of us use both (but not at the same time.) I read in another post that both can be used at the same time so long as they don't use the same port. But you'd be sharing bandwidth between the 2 so don't know if that's wise anyway unless you have a super fast connection.

SUN Java JRE 1.5.0_05 or _06 is recommended. Unless its absolutely necisarry, please do not recommend users to download versions of the JRE which are known to cause problems with the current FW software version(s). JRE 1.5 or later is required to install and use FW in the windows version. Any JRE versions below 1.5 are unsupported and have been known to cause crashes and various problems. (These crashes are witnessed with bug reports that we have received)

java log
 

can you please tell me how to create or find a similar java log like the one you posted? i am having a similar problem with LW and java 1_5_6. LW keeps shutting down after running for a random amount of time. i'd like to find out which application is interfering.

thank you.

Tried Frostwire and Java 1.4
 

Tried the Java trick with removing 1.5 and replaced it with 1.4/09 and it worked, Frostwire doesn't close now.

This happened for awhile, then it began to behave the same way and shutting off.

crashing
 

I also have troubles with both Limewire and Frostwire crashing.

I am running Windows XP SP-2 freshly installed, all updates and the current Java. Actually I let Frostwire do a web-install of Java as neither application seems able to 'see' an existing Java VM on my computer. I choose Frostwire to install the Java VM as it requests the current VM where Limewire Pro downloads an earlier version of Java for some reason. And yes the crashing occurs on the older Java too. Now.

With both programs the whole system crashes and reboots after a random period of time. This interval decreases with each new attempt to use the applications. Limewire tends to run about 2-3 times longer than Frostwire before crashing, but in both apps the TTTCFS (Total Time To Crash From Startup) decreases with each restart.

I had no troubles with earlier versions of Limewire. And actually my current Limewire Pro rarely crashed before I tried Frostwire. But now it crashes regularly, the same as Frostwire (it just runs longer before crashing). These intervals start out at about 30-40 minutes shortening down to just a couple of minutes after several restarts. I have re-installed Windows to no effect.

What gets me here is that I had no trouble with Limewire until I tried Frostwire. Removing Frostwire and even reformatting my HD (just the one where they and the OS reside) does not correct the problem. They both continue to crash. And it is only them. I can continue installing everything else with no crashes, unless I try Lime-FrostWire again. Then reboot city.

I hope someone has some ideas about what may be causing this behavior as other than the crashing these are two fine programs.

LImewire and Frostwire
 

I have error messages. "program needs to close" and it is blaming a ntdll.dll file in Windows as the fault. I have read that there is a ntdll.dll file at dll.com that can fix that, but ntdll.dll loads with windows, have not tried to replace ntdll.dll in safe mode.

Frostwire crashing
 

I have now installed the current beta of LimeWire (4.10) and it does not crash??? The stable version (4.9.23) crashes with regularity while the beta is stable??

I really prefer Frostwire though because while it IS running it seems to outperform LimeWire Pro (4.9.23), which also crashes regularly. It seems especially better with search results.

I also have a question. Why do these programs hog all of my bandwidth.

Say it is showing 24 Kb down and 30 Kb up on a 400Kb (actual) connection, why if it is only using 54Kb is my broadband crippled and slowed to a crawl. I can use BitTorrent or a regular D/L manager at rates bumping and even exceeding the supposed 400KB (3meg) pipeline with NO noticeable slowdown as far as browsing is concerned. If LimeWire is running, even at the example 54 Kb, I can't browse.

Re: Frostwire crashing
 

You can control bandwidth via your settings. FW's menu bar, Tools>Options>Uploads>Basic & Downloads. Perhaps you should reduce them both a little to allow you to browse.

Frostwire crashing
 

• "Originally posted by benyahuda Why do these programs hog all of my bandwidth."

Lord of the Rings

I know about the "Tools>Options>Uploads>Basic & Downloads" options. If I use that option to throttle Lime/FrostWire the very first tic on the slider reduces the Lime/FrostWire bandwidth to approximately 44 KBs. I was just curious why Lime/FrostWire wants to lay claim to ALL available bandwidth even if only a small portion is actually being used by the application. Other BitTorrent clients and download managers do not do this.

Back on topic. I'm going to try doing a search later with FrostWire (which seems to search best) and then after it crashes my system I'll uninstall it and reinstall the LimeWire beta (which doesn't crash) just as an experiment to see if the combination will give me a 'near FrostWire experience'.

Older versions did not crash my system. This behavior began with just the last couple of releases. Along with the LimeWire Beta which doesn't cause any crashes, older versions of LimeWire are stable also.

Thanks for replying to my post though. I'll try throttling the application to see if it will still perform adequately while I'm on-line, allowing me to use the net myself. If it works, it's not that big a deal to set and reset those options when needed.

The problem
 

I had the problem at first with frostwire, especially through my high speed proxy, but it seems that Frostwire, unlike Limewire needs you to enable large system cache possibly and definitely have a pagefile, even though I have 2 GB of RAM. I'd set processor time to background services too which I've always had so that Java gets equal processing time as Frostwire. It is much better than limewire Pro even though similar interface. It just works for connecting to users through my proxy so much better, and the fact they aren't working on censoring P2P is a definite plus. But yes it don't search as fast even when running right but compare user connectivity to Limewire, much better. But the crash is a windows issue you can override by applying the settings I said. They all can be accessed by right clicking on My computer, then clicking settings under performance. I set my pagefile to 3 GB as I have 2 GB RAM and 180 GB hard drive. You should set a static size so windows don't waste processing time adjusting it. Good luck.

Re: The problem
 

I already have a goodly sized page file (4096 min - 4096 max) and also have 2 gigs of ram which I don't believe to be a problem anyway. If I have a process manager running it usually shows that I'm using less than 500 MB ram and about 160 MB of the pagefile. Storage is no problem either as I have nearly a terrabyte of HD's.

This crashing does NOT happen with old builds OR the new LimeWire beta. So I Have a little trouble laying the blame on a Windows problem as it ONLY happens with my LimeWire Pro and the current release of Frostwire. The crash is something serious though. As with both applications it isn't just the application freezing or crashing. It is a fatal system error which does NOT appear in the system log but does result in a reboot.

I will agree that while FrostWire has not been stable on my system it definately seems to be faster than LimeWire, even Pro. It has been too unstable to actually test accurately. But after running them both as well as they will. Starting one right after the other has crashed, with the same searches, download lists, and upload lists, FrostWire seems faster.

I've noticed LW has released 4.10.4 & 4.10.5 so some of the bug fixes might filter thru to FrostWire's next beta release. http://www.limewire.com/english/cont..._history.shtml
There's a chance these fixes might be what's affecting people in this thread. The present FW beta is 4.10.3 http://www.frostwire.com/index.php?t...e:_4.10.3_Beta

"""CRASHING'''''
 

Its not your Java causing the problem you need to delete your Limewire and Frostwire make sure you delete it all in the Registry too and Temp files ... Once you have done this you need to reinstall the programs and with Version 4.10 and your problems will go away NO more crashing because I to had the same problem and now its gone once I did what I just asked you too do ....Good Luck

''''''''CRASH'''''''
 

Well if you think your ******* better then why haven't you fixed there problem then and further more if you read back like I did after I sent you the message I too found out many other people have had the same problem and they fixed it by REINSTALLING a newer version you ******* MORRON ....JAVA you so called wanabee computer tecs ...... you come on here asking for help and someone gives a good idea to fix the problem and you tell them too go away well why don't you go away you **** up...and then I read its not his JAVA like I said it was so who was closer to the truth you morron ...

Pinky what you are suggesting as a fix will not necessarily work, to tell them to install 4.10 as you did is not the way...

You emailed me last night and asked me to contact you through MSN, so I did you then proceeded to tell me that I needed to get rid of my version of LW and you would send me a version of PRO that you downloaded through a p2p app....So to tell someone to get rid of a legit version and install another is not the right thing to do when you know yourself its not what you did....you instead installed a copy of PRO in which you did not pay for.....


:rolleyes:
This is the thread that lead to our conversation on MSN....
http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=51854

Is it possible for any of you to open FW/LW, leave it by itself & have incompletes start downlding on their own? If yes, please allow this & see if the cpu/ram use is as high as before. And that's without using the search function at all. I'd be curious to know whether the FW/LW file searching is causing this jump in cpu/ram use.

If you are referring to my various problems, it's not a matter of high CPU or RAM usage being the problem. Rarely do either application use more than say 15% (by Task Manager's display) with total CPU usage mostly in the 1-5% range. And Process Manager and Task Manager both show a total memory load of less than 25% physical RAM and less than 5% of the Page File.

By my observation CPU and RAM have little or nothing to do with my experience. I certainly won't accuse F/Lwire of being poorly programmed as I think they are two fine applications. It is very likely that I have something which is causing a serious conflict. I don't think it's a problem with XP really either. I have had the same results on both an nlited version of XP and with a fresh standard install.

Both LimeWire and FrostWire eat pretty much all of my bandwidth no matter how little of it they are actually using. My little but accurate example was even if L/Fwire were only actually using 50 Kb they both insist on hogging all 4-500 Kb available. This is even with upload limits set at around 40Kb.

I have re-installed XP again (I do a lot of beta testing so XP never gets very old on my machine) and will try them again along with your suggestion. I just find it strange that older versions exhibit no bad behavior, nor does the newest LimeWire beta. But I have nothing but trouble with the current 'stable' releases of LimeWire Pro and FrostWire.

Thanks again for the responses here

benyahuda

Could you do a speed test and post the results here.

http://www.dslreports.com/stest

{Quote........Originally posted by Lord of the Rings
Is it possible for any of you to open LW, leave it by itself & have incompletes start downlding on their own? If yes, please allow this & see if the cpu/ram use is as high as before. And that's without using the search function at all. I'd be curious to know whether the LW file searching is causing this jump in cpu/ram use........)

I Tried this on a new XP Pro Install (unmodified-i.e.. not nlited or anything that might compromise the test) with J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 6 and then installed FrostWire. I pointed FrostWire at existing shared folders and it immediately picked up just like it should.

It settled down with downloading 5 or 6-7 files at approximately 100 Kbs and uploading a few at about 40 Kbs (no search used - just existing files as asked). I started Process Explorer and let it graph CPU usage and for the entire time FrostWire ran until it crashed (about 12 -15 minutes) I never saw CPU usage pass 70% (I was doing some other things too) and FrostWire by itself never took more than about 28%, usually it was around 18% or so.

I then uninstalled FrostWire and cleaned up the loose ends I could (from the uninstall) and installed the newest LimeWire beta that I have and everything is OK. No crashing.

And while I didn't give LimeWire Pro a try this time I'm convinced from recent experience that it would have started crashing too. It just would have run a little longer before crashing.

By the by, I re-ran FrostWire four times and it crashed all four times. Never running more than 15 minutes or so before the crash.

And for Grandpa the results from the speed tests were:

• running 10s outbound test (client to server) . . . . . 244.46Kb/s
  running 10s inbound test (server to client) . . . . . . 2.96Mb/s
  Your receive buffer (32.0 KByte) limits the application to 2.76 Mbps
  The network based flow control limits the application to 2.88 Mbps
  Client Data reports link is 'T1', Client Acks report link is 'T1'

benyahuda

From your posted results I do not think that the programs are using up all of your bandwidth your results were 244kb/s upload which converts to 244kb/s / 8 = 30.5KB/s above you said you are uploading around 40KB/s you should set your upload bandwidth to around 25KB/s according to your test results.

What is happening is you are creating a bottle neck. LimeWire needs some UL bandwidth to communicate with the host you are DL from and you also need some to cruse the net. If you are using all of your available upload bandwidth to upload to other people then it will slow your connection down.

244kb/s = kilobits 8kb/s = 1KB/s kilobytes which is what LimeWire measures bandwidth in.

Grandpa

If what you say is true then why can I transfer a 300 MB file in just a couple of minutes with any standard HTTP/FTP client while working online with no problems whatsoever?

If I downloaded that same file with Lime/FrostWire it would take an hour or more while using so much of my bandwidth that doing anything else on line is all but imposable????

There are also plenty of times that LimeWire itself will approach or equal HTTP/FTP speeds while uploading 30 to 40 Kb at the same time and will download that same file in nearly the same amount of time. I could better understand it if under that situation my bandwidth was limited out and it is. But like I said, any other d/l manager (IDM, Fresh Download, bittorrent etc.) will handle that same file in a flash while leaving me enough bandwidth to surf with no noticeable performance hit.