who shall we blame for child porn!
 

I was reading a thread on a different forum, about a woman complaining about child porn.
· (I was just recently disgusted when I found out what **keyword edited...do NOT post such search parameters** stands for well I still don't know but its got something to do with child porn....
and believe it or not but people are using limewire to share child porn its sick and its twisted and there has to b something the creators of limewire or whoever from limewire can do)

Is she disgusted that she couldn’t find out what pthc stands for?
I don’t know either, (could someone let me know please)

· And believe it or not but people are using limewire to share child porn!

Is there a lot of child porn? I have seen some references for it, (I have never seen any, nor do I wish to.) or are there a few films made along time ago that has circulated about? Because a only a few years ago it was illegal for any pornographic films or images. And now there are millions!

And what do you think people use p2p for, the majority of us only use it for illegal purposes, I mean LEGAL purposes.

Life is short,
I don’t earn much,
The cost of living is high,
And I want everything free!
I am a father, and a Grandfather, and anyone in the child porn industry should be Castrated with 2 bricks bashed together.

Should we the users of this site, police our own site for files such as child porn? Let the Governments do it, the admins, who shall we blame?

The good news is that the FBI does seem pretty aggressive with this kind of stuff. There was something in the news pretty recently about one of these kiddie-porn rings getting broken up.

Thankyou for this inffo erickmcpeanut (good site)

Whom shall we blame for child porn!
 

A good question. Hugh Heffner and Playboy magazine for starters. He brought what was was then considered porn into the mainstream and made it commercially viable. The porn industry is now a multibillion dollar industry and they are always expanding the envelope of what can be published and shown.

How long before paedophiles and their child lovers demand the right of adoption, I wonder? Ahhh love...

This topic should be left alone...............krike

and just what makes you think it will be closed????


as far as blame, the first ppl to blame are the ppl who are sharing the files...

the second ppl just might be the law, as they I'm sure are some of the sharers of such files (sting operations), and I'm also quite sure those files get spread all over because of that...

as far as real enforcement, well many users of networks make a point of logging the IP addys of ppl sharing quantities of the stuff and reporting the offenders...

I've got to say, I find the current 'trend' of super stiff penalties for mere digital images to be disturbing....WHY???? you scream, because many many times said penalties are far harsher than the person who actually abused the child gets..and that makes me think real hard before I report anyone...like think are they sharing enough of said illegal files to justify the amount of trouble they just might get into? I mean really, who did the most harm? a person who downed some images/videos, or a person who is actually doing the nasty deed (the answer should be rather obvious....)?

http://cortez.gnn.tv/blogs/19175/The...inders_Keepers

Actually, start with PartII and read your way up.

Ask yourself why you're NOT hearing more about this. Pete

And, why was this broadcast killed before it could air?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...acy+of+silence

Pornografi has been around since there are Cameraes hell there are even Paintings of Erotic nature its not differnt with children pornografi even the old Greeks abused young girls and boys to think any P2P Program has something to do with it is simply hilariously stupid. Ofcourse it makes it easier to spread and back 2000 years ago not every movie clip was transfered over the entire world in a matter of seconds but in the end there is nearly always a down side to everything i mean consider Cars how many millions of people get killed by them every year hell every day thou i dont hear you mourning about it i guees you still drive in one everyday.
Ofcourse child Pornografi is a bad thing but thinking P2P Networks are the Problem is pretty stupid.

Frankly, I don't get upset about child porn unless real children are used. As long as it is just a creation from someone's mind, similar to cartoon except perhaps a little more real looking, then so what? In fact having simulated child porn available, may satisfy the craving someone feels and thereby eliminate the real child porn.

I realize most people are emotional and not logical; however, I would willingly permit 1,000 simulations if that would prevent 1 child from being used.

Short of gently giving them a shot that will let them go to sleep forever, there is not much you can do to prevent people from acting on their cravings. I don't believe they can control their cravings. However, if their cravings can be satisfied with simulations and, if that in turn, will reduce the actual harm to children, I don't believe people's objections are logical.

I personally don't wish to watch crude porn or much violence in videos so, when I find it, I just delete. However, if others like it, that is find with me as long as they don't expose me to it.

Hanging's to good for them
 

i don't care if it's fantasy child porn or real hardcore child porn, i think the creators and users of this filth should be shot, there is nothing more sinister than the abuse of a child, exposing them to things that kids should not witness, and your theory of simulated child porn satisfying their craving just shows us how naive and ignorant you are, it wont satisfy them it will leave them wanting the real thing, methadone doesn't satisfy a heroin addicts cravings, and to think that filesharing isn't a part of the problem is just ludicrous, it's the biggest medium for sharing this **** that has ever existed, i use limewire a lot for music and movies but if shutting down p2p would reduce the traffic of child porn by even a half then i am all for it, i for one am disgusted by the lack of responsibilty taken by computer hackers and experts, if i had the knowledge i would seek out child porn distributors and users and expose them, there must be a way to plant bugs in their computers letting scotland yard or the FBI know where they are, if you can't expose them then surely you would be able to destroy their systems. but i don't think enough is being done, even when they are caught they are let off lightly, somebody i went to school with was selling pictures on the web, he was benifiting finacialy and he was also having sex with a 13 year old boy, and his sentence was a mere 18 months, needless to say, he was out in 6, he still has his old friends and has even got back together with his ex-girlfriend,
the lack of empathy from society will sicken me for life

Right, the problem resides with pedophiles, not p2p networks. Greek statues have long before portrayed nudity.

This is something that I've wondered for myself... the exact same thing...

Maybe you should be shot for being an ignorant?

Have any of you thought of who these people are to blame?
They are people who, maybe were abused themselves as children, thus they repeat the actions of the abuser... a psychological trauma.

----my 2 cents...----

- We are nobody to judge, blame, or decide what to do with these sickos...
- If you are religioue and have 'faith' in god or whoever, then you should know damn well that they will get what they deserve...
- I hate all the cp in LW too... I try to find a video and I get a bunch of cp or porn... but you know what? I ignore it and get on with my life.

ignorant
 

you just said you ignore it and get on with your life and you have the nerve to call ME ignorant, some of us with feelings who actually care about children can't ignore it *******, explain to me how i am ignorant, and just because peadophiles may have been abused themselves doesn't excuse them abusing other children, i for one am sick of opening the paper and reading about another schoolteacher or a judge or a priest who's been abusing little kids or downloading this crap
[abusive language edited]

Explain why should we just shoot someone for doing something wrong.


~Amendment VI
"In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense."

'mr. feelings', would executing someone at the spot make you feel good?
Or, are you just another ignorant dumb ****?

People have done worser things than downloading cp, or making some 'fantasy porn' with photoshop.

I choose to stay away from all videos & pictures in LW for the same reason.
You should think before you condemn.

I may have to agree there may not be adequate evidence that you are ignorant. More like uneducated, emotional, illogical, and most certainly un-American. Since you would so freely trash the freedoms the USA was founded on, perhaps you should find a country more to your liking. I would suggest Iran and North Korea as countries you would feel at home in.

I don't necessarily love the United States.
In fact, I find most policies and laws unjust and/or unfair.
I am an open-minded person and willing to give a second chance.

However, I believe the adjective uncivilized would be more fitting.

ain't no such thing as...
 

Hiya, vicarious...
Great name
but
I'm wondering
have you
EVER
encountered an example
ANY EXAMPLE
of the learning method that is touted under the same name

i.e. vicarious learning

?


If so, be sure to keep it a secret, OK ?
Don't want to start a panic, right ?

Congrats to you...
You manage, in one post, to convey your grotesque 'rite-ness' AND provide us all with an entertaining traipse down the memory lane of the history of psychotic cultures...

I've seen a load of mindless and offensive posts in my time here, but you hit my Valentine's Day soft spot... Ta !

We must all, of course, have some sympathy for you and your ilk... I mean, what do you citizens of The People's Kleptocracy of Dumphuqistan do now that you can't chant "Commie Lover" ?

Must be hard.

I am very aware of what the word means.

However, think of someone being 'shot' for doing some things that to many people seems unethical or morally wrong.

But! ... forgiving is something that is difficult to do.. yes, I understand that, but holding a grudge can also destroy someone's life from the inside, bitter and cold.
Repent, and all shall be forgiven. Obviously, death is too extreme.. exactly, I know damn well it is wrong morally and/or ethically, but it does not convice me enough to actually take someone's life.

btw: that the exactly the damn reason I chose that name.

What exactly are (were) you referring to?

Hiya, again...

Nothing negative from me at you...

Only making reference to one of numerous popular misconceptions...

Vicarious learning, phlogiston, phrenology, psychiatry, "military intelligence", 'the will of the people', etc., etc. all = the same...
Axiomatic garbage that does not obtain, hmmm ?

Concepts based on false percepts forming structures of 'thought' and societal 'values'...
i.e. Rite Words in Rote Order !!!

Vicarious experiences may occur, but the learning aspect is unknown within the species !

Took the definition of PTHC from http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term= pthc Short for "preteen hardcore" or child porn. Used mostly on p2p programs such as Kazaa. All I did was google the term and this is what I found. Hope it helped.

i blame the kids i mean like if me ******** all the children there wont be any for porn right?

[abusive language edited]

1st rule of P2P File sharing.
Never
Never
NEVER
Download pictures or porn videos out of them.

Simple as that.

Alright..
 

Well, Ive read through many of other peoples comments, and I believe that Child Porn is really bad, its bad for the world its bad for the people and kids. But blaming it on P2P networks isnt gonna help, people have been maslting kids since the birth of man kind,

In Asia and Thailand more then 4million children are being held as Sex slaves and abused by pedophiles, this is sick.

Sometimes I feel like shooting them. The people who are running these buessnieses ARE EXAMPLE; POLICEMEN (Not all ofcourse, but some)..!!!

Yes Policemen run these bussnies, talk about corrupted country?

Hi all,

Im pretty new here. Was browsing this forum to see if anyone had any info on how to report child porn on limewire so it can be removed.

Anywhoo, reading some of the messages gone by there is misconception out there that I think I need to address. Long story short I was put into researching child sex crimes and the psychology behind these perverts about a year ago. The misconception I am speaking of is the notion that people who download child porn are less 'sick' than those doing the act, or that those who draw images are less sick than those who obtain real ones. This is absolutely not true. I am drawing on stats here in my mind that I looked at over 6 months ago so I might be a tincy bit out, but something like 70 - 80% of people who obtain / download child pornography go on to actually commit child sex offences. This is one of the reasons they are so harsh on it as a crime and consider posession and production (including drawings and stories) to be a child sex crime. Trust me when I say that the person who downloads child pornography should be considered just as dangerous as a paedophile - the truth is that they sexually enjoy this stuff so if the right opportunity arose they are at high risk of actually offending against a child.

Just thought I would clarify this as it is a dangerous misconception to believe that there are grades of these crimes that dictate how sick a person is or how dangerous they are - there aren't, if you are sickly attracted to children then you are sickly attracted to children and sadly the majority of repeat child sex offenders (including posession of child porn in that tally) are unable to be rehabilitated to the point where they are considered 'safe' around children. The question as to when abuse of the child starts is usually answered by officials like this: the abuse starts in the abuser's mind, not when they act on it.

Anyhow, does anyone out there have an answer to my dliema on where is best to report child porn on limewire?? I haven't downloaded anything bad, but on one search I did one of the files that came up was beyond obvious as it detailed as such in the title.

LimeWire, as a company, has absolutely no control over what is shared on the public network, which is
not a "LimeWire" network but the gnutella network that many different gnutella-compatible programs connect to.
Copy down the IP address and report it to the police or whatever tips organization you have in your area.

That 70 - 80% statistic sounds pretty suspicious. If a credible study had proved it there would
have been a lot of press coverage and everybody would know it, so treat that statistic as just
another example of somebody trying too hard to sell their ideas on anti porn activism.

I am fairly new to Limewire and I understand that there is no way you can be made responsible for the contents of people's harddrives, nevertheless, I think that you are a fairly large and important entity in the Internet community, and as such there is a social responsibility that can't be ignored. Like I said, I am new to the program ( a couple months) and I am already aware of the incredible amount of underage and child pornography that is easily obtainable through P2P- Can you please supply us with a list of sites where these IP addresses can be reported? I live outside of the US, so calling the FBI is not exactly an option for me, and I really don't know how seriously these claims would be taken in my country. On the other hand, I think that just as you have moderators for the forums to check for bad language and other innapropriate things you could have people who "moderate" or constantly check for the contents being shared through your system. I am aware that the amount of material is huge, but it is worth the try don't you think??
In the same way, users could perform these searches and report the IP addresses, but in order to be sure you'd have to download the content, and this is stuff that I don't believe any "normal" person would want to see, and there is also the fear of being prosecuted for downloading such material.
I'm just making a few suggestions here, since I am one of the users who have come across this kind of material. There has to be something that can be done, and again I would like to emphasize the fact that you as a company, and us as users, DO HAVE a social resposibility to try and stop this disgusting and damaging material.

It's literally impossible to go out and erase things on other peoples' computers, or to
completely block any one person from gnutella. Gnutella was designed from the ground up to
protect freedom of speech and the freedom to share, and to make it impossible for any one
entity, no matter how large, to control in any way.

You can at least partially shield yourself by going into the options for LimeWire and adding
more keywords to the keyword filter. Here's the set I give out to anybody that wants to block
porn and spam: http://www3.telus.net/Aaron_Walkhouse/FilterKeyword.txt

To report this kind of thing you should familiarize yourself with all the various tip lines and
organizations around the world and use the appropriate one for each IP address you find. As
you find them you will inevitably find the one nearest you, which you can use whenever you are
not sure where the IP address is located. If you want to become active in anything, finding out
on your own where to go and what to do is a necessary step, otherwise you will falter and
never really get started.

I will tell you that most of them tend to use the word "exploitation" in their names or on their web sites. ;]

@ lifesbutadream....

I think you are missing a very vital point...none of us here that regularly post are employees of LW, LLC....the words you use make it obvious you think that you are talking to such a person, which AaronWalkhouse is most certainly not....

as far as places to report, try these:

cpHotline.org
ASACP: Association of Sites Advocating Child Protection
Internet Crime Complaint Center (IC3)

Hi,

Yeah, I know it is a forum and not an expert centre, but I was hoping (especially due to the thread subject) that someone may have come across how to report these things as I couldn't find any helpful info on the limewire site.

I am sorry if my post comes accross as if I am addressing an employee or other technical person then I do appologise - for the last year most of my correspondence has been between legal officials and many child protection and advocacy organizations in the fight to change legislation to better protect children, and with having a background running an office I am kind of used to writing in a more official tone than I am a personal one.

Thank you for the links, I have bookmarked them so when I come across that file again I will report it.

Cheers!

I'm a potential adult female rapist.
 

Wow so then 70 to 80 percent of all porn viewers will actually go out and commit sex offences.

Viewers of children will commit acts upon children and viewers of adults will commit adult sex offences. Maybe a few crossovers.

I would submit that 99+% of the people holding child pornography never do anything but look at it.

When someone chooses to access child pornography, they are getting enjoyment from viewing children being abused*****d/tortured - no matter what way you want to try to skew that part of the equation, the fact is that people who like child porn like to see children being raped and sexually abused. Or, to pose that in a rhetorical question format - would you feel comfortable leaving your children/future children in the care of someone who you know gets sexual gratification from seeing children raped and abused?

Anyway, I am done. I think that anyone with any level of intelligence would realise that if someone gets their rocks off seing children sexually abused and raped then that speaks volumes about that person's predilections and sexual desires.

love making/sex and intimacy are for ADULTS 18 +
ANYTHING younger is WRONG SICK and ILLEGAL
only LEGAL porn is for ADULTS BY ppl of 18+
hence your porn or cinamax

I'm not argueing your sentiments which I agree with. I'm challenging your sources of information as to the 70-80%. If you want your statements to be believeable the numbers have to be also or you lose credibility.

Statistics are easily found on the web so if you're not going to be reasonable accurate then just stick to opinion.