The GDF!
 

After GregorK (Phex), also Raphael (gtk-gnutella) left the GDF:

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From: Raphael Manfredi <Raphael_Manfredi@p...>
Date: Thu Mar 14, 2002 10:35 pm
Subject: Good BYE




This is my BYE message to the GDF.

Raphael


I have a strange feeling that he is not the last one... actually we have more actively developed clients outside the GDF than inside!

Perhaps we should rename the GDF into BLDF - bearshare and limewires developer forum!

Besides them there is only Gnucleus, Mactella and Cultiv8r in the GDF AFAIK! I think at least ten clients which are not in the GDF!

Morgwen

I'm still with the GDF and I'm not intending to leave it.

Gregor

Sorry then I am wrong - I heard you left it!

Morgwen

It's Konrad Haenel (previous Phex lead) that left, after a bash on the GDF about the re-queries. No one could come up with concrete evidence Phex was hurting the network, and some were openly discussing to block Phex. Which was indeed B.S. for some GDFers to do.

So when you don't get your way you stomp off in a fit? hold your breath till you turn blue? call your momma? WTF?
the_gdf is starting to look more like pre school.
RAM practically ran the gdf for the last 4 months, whats his problem?

Thninking back now when that happended , I bet XoloX was in full swing testing mode!

I'm not sure either if this was all Phex fault. But because of these problems we spend much time in improving the research and are having one of the most complex researchs available that is capable to reacts efficient on different network situation.

I like to make it more tunable for the user as soon I have done the higher priority topics.

Gregor

I'm writing in this thread because there are many people related to the GDF.

What is happened?
Who is in charge of it now?

I never joined the the Yahoo group. I assume that the last comment was in 2014.

I've emailed a Gtk-Gnutella a time or two. The project seems important, but life has other demands. I'm actually impressed by how many releases come out of that project.

WireShare seems to get maintained. Also Shareaza keeps on going (but it is multi-protocol).

I see a new "pay for" limewire clone pop up once in a while.

Which ones? I thought all those businesses vanished. There are still some left-over users from those pay-for sites using the network.
I guess there will always be those same type who advertise free downloads & then shift to another site a while later. That's how some of them operated when the heat was onto them; Grab & run.

The GDF went mostly silent after LW lost in court. gtk-gnutella kept moving forward, because the developer did not care about the legalities. Phex development (where I was involved) mostly stopped, since the legal risk was too great. LimeWire did everything right and still lost in court, so it was clear that the legal system is too corrupted to risk working on systems which aren’t firmly focussed on protecting constitutional rights (I moved to contributing to Freenet).

I’m still a moderator in the GDF, though, and I would love to see Gnutella flourish again. Though we never managed to stop commercial disruption completely (spammers throwing fake files in the network), I still see it as the best technical solution for distributed searching, and the download mesh provides the features of torrents without requiring single points of failure (torrent sites) or a global DHT.

Also current WebRTC technologies should even enable implementing Gnutella directly in the browser — with the connection times on the order of seconds, this would provide instant distributed search.

Many thanks for the feedback arne_bab. :)

Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Win NT 5.1; Trident/4.0) used by multiple Trend Micro’s botnets I saw just this week downloading a file from me whilst using Phex.

I recall a browser-based client I tried out last decade (though there was no ability to add your own files to share, other than files already downloaded.) And I believe one of the original LimeWire devs created his own browser-based client. So the technology has been around, though obviously needs to be upgraded in gnutella technological abilities if that's possible with a browser based client. (?)

From a technical standpoint that should be possible. It will just be quite a bit of work — for example to port tiger tree (though that might be doable using asm.js).

That there are already browser based Gnutellas is interesting, though I don’t know how they did that cleanly without WebRTC (IIRC that provides the backchannel).

I've kinda given up on looking for new gnutella based applications.

But when I did run into something like that (if memory serves correctly) they'd offer a free version and a pro (buy) version.

I'm not a fan of browser based sharing. It just creates one more point of depenency. An background daemon developed independent of any browser wouldn't be so bad. But we already have I2P and Freenet.

I'd like to see community like capacities in gnutella.

Sorta like IRC or DC++. However the communities are searchable over the main network if its creator(s) select the option. It would require some networking external to gnutella protocol (something like a DC hub for chat if desired).Access to multiple Gnut. networks and the globol all similtaneous. Options to or not to allow network shares globally. And finally hosting sites with gnut. exlucive access private or globally (searchable). And a pipe dream is adding secret identification addresses to every user wishing to contribute to a anonymizing router network. Private routing IDs could be created for private networks wishing to route only with their isolated network peers (even though it would be less effective).

I was thinking that gnut sites would use only html4 standards with no javascript or css. Cookies would be replaced with downloadable site specific plugins having switchable controls.

Images and Videos could be shared via network (on all three or a selection of).

A huge pipe dream!!!!

Tons of problems to work out.

My problem with Freenet and I2p is that the push is only for anon like networking.

Also I was thinging that being able to manage spam bots at a private network level would be easier than global management. Hostile IPs could then be passed on to the global filter.

Some content like cute cat videos would be popular based on peer sources. It would kinda be like the internet was meant to be. Too many Ideas!

Okay.... Commence telling me improbabilites :super: