How I spy on Gnutella for big corporations
 

Soon I may be offered big dollars from a big corporation to write a very advanced client, using a team of programmers so that I can produce the most popular client for Gnutella.
It has to be very popular because it needs to be distributed all across Gnutella to do it's dirty work properly.
This client will spy on all nodes that it can from it's horizon and report back to a bank of servers located at our new multi million dollar computing spy center.
Please stop me.
They have tried to spy on Gnutella using nodes running at the corporate office.
Remember that a single node has only a limited horizon, and due to the distributed nature of Gnutella it costs too much to set up thousands of computers and set up a network of distributed IP addresses so this can't be detected or blocked.
The idea is to become the most popular and most distributed client so it's easy for these corporations to keep the Gnutella network under control through enforcement and network disabling methods.
Control is what these corporations have lost, control over their content, and this can help to give it back.
They are desperate and may ask me to add features to slow down or disable certain "uncontrolled" parts of the network, such as those nodes that use encryption or other means to keep us from spying on them.
If we can make those nodes less popular, then people will move to our client and control will then be enforced.
This will be designed in a way to keep even the best hackers from detecting what we are doing. Spy data will be saved and sent in random bursts at random times, and will be encrypted and hidden in headers, search results, or special bytes that look normal and other means I can't say here.
Please stop me. Please expose this!
Control of the network is what it is all about.
I don't know if it's legal to make someone's computer a spy node without telling the user, but who's going to know? Who's got the dollars to sue anyway?
One thing that they won't let me add are ways to spread those corporations' content without detection, so you probably won't see our spy program doing things like encryption for files or any other features that help distribute their content without them knowing it.

(note that Unregistered users never come up with any good suggestions, ideas, warnings about bad clients or anything like that, so let's block them so they conform to the norm)

Re: How I spy on Gnutella for big corporations
 

Nobody said this and this is sure not the reason why we decided this, youn can say thank you to the unregistered people that are flaming here...

And note this thread has nothing to do with "side feedback" and I am not going to move it every time.

Morgwen

If that is a real idea, I think it's not very smart. A new network/client would become popular only because it had more and faster downloads, namely illegal downloads. And popularity would plumment when the spy-client decided to start cracking down.

Hello!

Personally I think that this Unregistered users post are a bunch of BS and untrue:o

Yes
 

The author of this thread brings up a VERY important point.

Do not underestimate any of the forces who would stop file sharing, and be ever vigilant for attacks on the network - they take many shapes and forms.

I would like to also point out another scenario - they could simply offer an existing Gnutella servent (BearShare?) a lot of cash to take over their product in secret.

They would have to pry BearShare out of my dead fingers before I let that happen.

I believe there are a couple of closed-source clients that could be (or are already) used for that kind of attack:

- BearShare maybe Vinnie has got an evil twin brother or something or he is cloned by some evil corporation
- Shareaza Who are those guys anyway? Judging from their speed of development, they have quite some resources. Shareaza consists of two words 'share' and 'reaza'. If you change the order of the first two letters the second word becomes 'eraza' or 'eraser'. So Shareaza really is the 'share eraser'. I think Shareaza is sponsored by the RIAA to destroy gnutella once it's popular enough.
- Morpheus 2.0 Incompetence might even be a greater danger to the gnutella network than the RIAA
- QTrax Everyone should know by now that it was created to destroy gnutella.

Taliban, that is exactly the point.
I think the only way to avoid those problems is to opensource the clients. Gnucleus & LimeWire did it and both clients can be trusted.
But hey, isnt it a bit like the Illuminati stuff?
If you change the order of the first two letters the second word becomes 'eraza' or 'eraser'. So Shareaza really is the 'share eraser'

I mean that 23 stuff? (Adam Weisshaupt was the founder, he was born 1723, W is the 23th letter in the alphabet, if you take 2 + 3 its 5, 5 is the number of the devil (pentagramme (penta = five)). Blablabla :D

Re: Yes
 

Hello!

NO!

I do not underestimate the threats to the network I am fully aware of them but I think that this specific post was a joke and I do not believe in his/hers story about someone paying him/her to create such a client the fact that the user posted as unregistered just incresed my suspicion to the post and that it is just a joke or someone trying to get attention.

Well as I said LimeWire rocks no such problems!.Open Source will prevent the network from dying:p

Taliban can you tell me why the war against Shareaza? and what did Qtrax do to destroy the network nothing to my knowledge?.Just proof of the Gnutella protocol strenght against attacks.

Why do you think that BearShare are destroying the network?

That's for sure.

Open source also means no security in the areas that count (and little legal protection for that matter). Just take the open source client, put in some hostile features and you can disrupt/destroy the network (given the proper resources).

Some people see it like this:

A new client pops up around the time network disruption is at it's greatest. It has lots of features and is being rapidly developed... so it attracts lots of users. This conspiracy theory may be silly but i've heard more ridiculous things.

Read Search The GDF for discussion about this. 2 client developers that I know of have added anti-hammering functionality to their clients, just because of Qtrax.

Excuse me, but you've not been living under a rock have you? :D

He's probably suggesting that any for-profit client developer could be bribed...

Do not be so paranoid I think that the Gnutella users out there do got a brain and will stop using bad clients.And Open Source is also a good thing because after all most Open Source developers out there are good people that like to mess whit evil programmers they are Info Anarchist's in that aspect.So this means that if some client developer/developers develop an evil client that struck's the Gnutella network they will do counter strickes to preserve the networks integrity.


I have not used Shareaza so i do not know if it is good or not but time will tell if it turned out to be an Evil client or not.

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Read Search The GDF for discussion about this. 2 client developers that I know of have added anti-hammering functionality to their clients, just because of Qtrax.

I will do that!

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Excuse me, but you've not been living under a rock have you? :D

Maybe I have who knows!In a previous life maybe I was a crab or something:D
The reson I tghink that Gnutella is strong against attacks is because it is so decentralized and with so many clients so a Single client can not destroy it just harm it a little bit and since it is open source developers will always fight back against attacks.
That is true but it still does not hurt the network.

So, you're saying you can trust a client because it's open-source? bull#@&%. Do you trust Morpheus? Morpheus, the currently most popular Gnutella client, by far, which is also open-source, and a clone of another popular open source client, has done more to bring down the Gnutella network than the RIAA or any government agency to date. This is the sort of bullcrap that open-source clients add to the network. I would rather not see a repeat of the current situation again. Stay closed-source!

Not to mention that no form of security can be built-in to any open-source clients.

IMHO, the only thing open-source does is allow creeps to rip off someone else's code, change a few things, such as links and ads (either ripping them out, adding some in, or replacing the old ones with new ones so the new company gets the money instead), and stick their name on it, and more often than not, the new clients don't care about the health of the network... Think Morpheus, Freewire, etc.

Hello!

You have to take the good with the bad.!

Open Source of all kinds is good just look at Linux.And as far as Gnutella clients are concerned look at LimeWire probably the safest client out there.

But ofcourse there will always be some bad ones out there but thats the price we have to pay in order for the network to continue developing fast.Personally I think that the network will just get better and better even if some bad clients comes out hopefully the Gnutella users are smart people and chooses the correct clients.

By the Way Cool No Doubt gif you have there but why dont you like Moby?

I have nothing against the actual developers that open-source their code (although in the case of Limewire, I think they were stupid to do so). My gripe is with third party companies that come and take this code and do whatever they want with it. These clients (for the most part) do nothing for the network and/or hurt it, and do nothing for the actual developers at the same time.


Personally, I would rather see slower development, than a quicker death by misbehaving clients and the main developers not getting paid because they were dumb enough to open-source their client.

;) I dunno, I just don't really like him, and when I think of Gwen Stefani, Moby always seems to come to mind. Southside

Why are you taking Morpheus as the example for opensource?
Morpheus is the example how to exploit opensource,
they didnt contribute or improve the code, they just added some
extra cool and funky features like Bonzy Buddy rolleyes:
Morpheus = Gnucleus + Spyware.

By saying that Opensource is able to prevent spying from
other corporations I meant that you can review the source
if you dont trust the client. :

Hmmmm. Isn't that exactly what I said? You forgot to mention they added the magical ability to shift IP addresses, and send you the wrong file when you request a hashed file!

but thats not opensource's fault.
we were talking about corporations who use wide spread clients to log and monitor the activities within the gNet.
but logging wouldnt be possible if the program was opensource because everybody who understands a bit of coding would notice these features. right? :eek:

Yes it is. If Morpheus didn't have an open-source client to leach off of then this would never have happened.

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we were talking about corporations who use wide spread clients to log and monitor the activities within the gNet. but logging wouldnt be possible if the program was opensource because everybody who understands a bit of coding would notice these features. right? :eek:

Yes, you're right... I was just talking about hurting the network in general, though.

The biggest problem with Gnutella, is that everyone who joins the network is considered "trusted" due to its decentralized nature.

Good old Iain and Good old Taliban have certainly wound-up a load of paranoid garbage, one more time.

The number one problem today in Gnutella Network is that the majority of users are running software for which there is no documentation...... No User's Manuals... they are flying blind on ridiculously optimistic default settings provided by the developers.

Not true? Ask anyone what an Ultraleaf is.

Next problem is the ever-increasing level of paranoia which is fanned into leaping flames by certain users... NOT outside 'authorities', but particular private individuals who cannot pass up the opportunity of mounting their current favourite soapbox and preaching away on their latest sermon.......

Sure there are maybe going to be some attempts at disruption from commercial enterprises... So what? What happened to the little fact that they... 'THEY'... cannot bust everybody....
Iain, you are doing the dirty work already.
Quit all of this public stuff and work quietly if you have ideas to help...... there are an unbelievable number of posts here from you that any lawyer would cream in his Gucci jeans over..... You, with many of your posts are actually providing a form of 'evidence' for the prosecution.....

By all means, pursue your ideas....... Just stop telling the 'enemy' what your position is and what you're planning to do next, hmmm?

You may as well be simply sending the thoughts you post here in e-mails instead... e-mails to the people you think are trying to destroy Gnutella Network and more.

Sssshhhhhhhh.......
Private... not public, right?

and, last... Taliban's comments about Mike Stokes being in the pay of someone who wishes to destroy Gnutella Network is just more of the same crap Taliban can always be expected to produce.... Mindless stupidity without a gramme of consideration for the truth...... Pumped up ego games that are never worth following.
Taliban's history speaks for itself.

Good, now we have a few 100 tonnes of truth being stated here.
Might just bury some of the bs that has been pumped out.

Maybe there should be a code or something so no unknown users can get in but a good tip I read before is try not to download files with an exact name sometimes they might be fake or spy also get some of those free anti spyware things like spybot Search and destroy and spy sweeper this is what I use. this is going to become a very big issue for us all so we need to protect areselves. If any of you know how to make programs maybe some can be made to stop these spies

LOL !
 

Their going to pay you the big bucks for asking questions like that? Sh** give them my address. Thats too funny. I think you're probably a poser.

At anyrate if you try to use spy nodes without consent you're hacking. Try that and your entire "007 spy node" will be blackholed never to see the light of day again. It's happened before. Not to mention the legal aspects.

I hope that helps,

Ringo....

Ringo Chen ****, atleast I though of something

BTW
I am no poser, and I know what I'm taking about

NO flames read the forum rules

LOL !
 

You need to lighten up dood. I'm just deking ya. I hope you do something like that so I can sell everyone software that blocks sh** like that.

I have to tell you a funny story that relates to what were talking about. I have several large affiliate sites and for one of them I was looking for something else to augment the site. So I started searching CJ for something else to put on that one site. I found a company called "netnanny.com" they sell software that BLOCKS porn sites and the like so kids can't get in to trouble with the parental units. So I started doing my homework on netnanny like the PR and backlinks etc.. and as Im doing the backlinks I see that they have over 12,000 backlinks wow! So I naturally started looking at the backlinks and every FUC**** one of them is a PORN site lmao! it's classic! You need to check it out. I thought that interesting that a company that has porn blocking software would link to over 12,000 porn sites ... lol.

later

lol that is funny i think I went on that site before but it was a lonngg time ago I'll check it out again.
I was just makin shure you were kidin
i'm sorry if I sounded too serious

aha you gotta pay for it...oh well you can google search any word in the dictionary and you'll get porn
lol funny, you know over 3/4 of the internet is porn.

t2yl

yes originally, srr for bringing it up when I first starded at this, but now someone had to answer than you know how it goes

hrmmm
 

Maybe they should delete older posts? I'm new and was just browsing and saw this thread - I guess I found the current posts boring ...

lata ...

Re: hrmmm
 

No way, older posts can be usefull for other users. it wasn´t your fault stupididiot69er replied to the old thread and highlighted it again.

Morgwen

Re: Re: hrmmm
 

Yeah, if they use the Search function...

Re: Re: Re: hrmmm
 

Some do... :)

Morgwen

whaa? I was newb when that happened..... oops

Just 4 days ago. Just as well I'm too tired to add something! Sorry did I her you correctly? Protect what? AH is what it sounded like lol

OMG Lord, get your mind outta the gutter. That's what it sounded to me too, but let's skip that, shall we?

With that in mind, one must always be prepared for the unexpected. The world is not a safe place.
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