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EvicerateX September 9th, 2002 08:08 AM

Is Gnutella Dying?
 
I've heard from a few friends in the file sharing world that Gnutella is losing its popularity... Give me your opinion.

backmann September 9th, 2002 09:20 AM

Well, Gnutella's popularity has in some way been decaying, especially taking into account its popularity when Napster became obsolete, but it's certainly not dying. The worst enemy (now that I think of it, enemy may not be the most appropiate word) of Gnutella are its own users. If we don't share and we don't accept incoming connections we will be harming the network.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Sephiroth September 10th, 2002 11:54 AM

Maybe this forum isnt that popular maybe because of other *** that are avaible..

Gnutella is more popular than ever.. Maybe some of the programs that were getting alot of hype has died down but that doesnt mean that the rest of the network is unpopular..

I dont think that one or two things could be contributed to any file sharing programs demise. I dont really agree with backmann's point that users are hurting the network by not accepting incoming connections because many users dont have any control or that or the knowledge to work their firewall to allow traffic.

As for sharing its always a problem for someone but i dont think that the amount of sharing is dangerously low or anything..

The main thing that does hurt gnutella is people who use outdated servents. Gnutella is only as good as the software thats running it.

backmann September 10th, 2002 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sephiroth
I dont think that one or two things could be contributed to any file sharing programs demise. I dont really agree with backmann's point that users are hurting the network by not accepting incoming connections because many users dont have any control or that or the knowledge to work their firewall to allow traffic.
I mean those who deliberately reject them. Check the statistics at limewire.com, the proportion is very low. And of course, leechers are the other problem.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Sephiroth September 10th, 2002 04:11 PM

Limewire statistics are around 4 times less than the actual number of hosts.. More information can be found in this GDF post about a month ago.

So the actual number of hosts on gnutella when i posted this is around 600,000.

backmann September 10th, 2002 05:12 PM

I wasn't talking about the hosts. I was talking about the proportion hosts/hosts accepting incoming connections, which wouldn't vary much from the one at limewire.com.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

EvicerateX September 10th, 2002 05:46 PM

Keep it on topic.
 
I don't think servers were in the discussion. Perhaps the quantity of servers would be an convincing arguement as to the demise or lack thereof? Who thinks so?

Iamnacho September 10th, 2002 06:11 PM

Re: Keep it on topic.
 
Quote:

Originally posted by EvicerateX
I don't think servers were in the discussion. Perhaps the quantity of servers would be an convincing arguement as to the demise or lack thereof? Who thinks so?
I dont think so. Gnutella doesnt use centralized servers. and (someone correct me if i am wrong) generally each host acts as the server... (a bit different with super duper extra specail "mines better than yours" ultra peers, but the same idea.)

EvicerateX September 10th, 2002 06:15 PM

Yup.
 
I know gnutella uses a decentralized system... But how many clients are there? Millions? Thousands? Surely a chart can show a decrease or an increase?

EvicerateX September 10th, 2002 06:17 PM

I mean servers, of course... but nonetheless... Theres got to be number to substantiate either direction. Up or down? Whats your opinion? What do you think could cause a decline or what do you think could cause an increase of usage...

:D

backmann September 11th, 2002 11:31 AM

The one thing that could make a significant increase in Gnutella's amount of users is the closure of another P2P network (and I don't I want that, of course). That's what happened after Napster had to close and after Morpheus was kicked out of Fasttrack.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

RealBigSwede September 12th, 2002 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by backmann
Well, Gnutella's popularity has in some way been decaying, especially taking into account its popularity when Napster became obsolete, but it's certainly not dying. The worst enemy (now that I think of it, enemy may not be the most appropiate word) of Gnutella are its own users. If we don't share and we don't accept incoming connections we will be harming the network.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Thank you backmann. That is what I have been saying for long time.
I have started to use an other p2p system where NOONE can refuse in comming calls and doing the last month it started with 900.000 member online and now it's upto 2.7 Millions!!! in one month!! and it's realy fast download for people with modems...

RealBigSwede September 13th, 2002 06:19 AM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by bpmax
Where ya been RBS??? Too busy downloading to visit the forums from time to time??? Told you it kicked booty!
http://pages.prodigy.net/rogerlori1/...ons/think2.gif
[/QUOTENo Been sick, and I got a real BIG job.

EvicerateX September 13th, 2002 08:23 AM

?
 
What client do you use, RBS? I didn't think I could accept incoming connections?

RealBigSwede September 14th, 2002 04:02 AM

Re: ?
 
Quote:

Originally posted by EvicerateX
What client do you use, RBS? I didn't think I could accept incoming connections?
I did use SHAREZA. now I'm on a diffrent p2p system. not gnutella, with real good speed for people with modem.

EvicerateX September 14th, 2002 07:10 AM

What P2P network are you on that isn't gnutella? Its good for modems? I have broadband cable (100mbps), is there anything good for that?

Sephiroth September 16th, 2002 08:44 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by EvicerateX
What P2P network are you on that isn't gnutella? Its good for modems? I have broadband cable (100mbps), is there anything good for that?
Usenet...

Or you could try one of those "serverless" networks who say they are dencentralized but weather if they really are or not is really debateable.

EvicerateX September 17th, 2002 05:13 AM

WinMX
 
I thought that WinMX uses a decentralized system for its servers.
If thats the case, I already use it... For finding stuff, it rocks... For downloading, it really, really sucks.

backmann September 19th, 2002 08:23 AM

BTW, according to Streamcast, the amount of users in GNet are over 1.000.000 (but I don't know if this numbers are real)

Quote:

By means of version 1.9, Morpheus further distances itself from p2p competitors with multiple simultaneous searches, an integrated web browser with a built-in search engine, and is the first peer-to-peer community to incorporate instant messaging capabilities.

Downloads: 100,000,000
Simultaneous Users: 1,000,000
Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"


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