Ok I see the point of view from the thread you directed me to. My question is, is the gnutella net mostly populated with clients that "swarm?" If not then modem users are mostly useless for uploads. If most clients do not swarm then modem users would better serve the net by connecting, finding something to d/l, disconnecting while a D/L is ACTIVE and allowing one upload. After the D/L is complete connect back to the net.
As far as having to wait for files you will never have more open slots than filled because our "wants" are unlimited while the supply is limited.

Actually not, but this will change in the near future...

Limewire, Xolox and the new Gnucleus beta 1.6 are working with yet!

At least three new clients are in progress - two of them will be released soon!

Morgwen

Just a question.

I always wonder about the phrase 'swarm download', because ppl mean downloading file segments from multiple host at the same time. While 'swarming' means distributing/uploading small file partials over the net.
I thought 'swarmed downloads' is different to 'multisegmented downloads'? Both are similar, yes, but swarming and swarmed downloads are currently not available on Gnutella.

Just my €0,02, Moak

Moak!

You are the developer! :)

Morgwen

P.S.:

Do you want to explain the difference? For the stupid people like me! ;)

Morgwen,
no I'm just that guy lurking arround in Gnutella Development without having an own client. :-)

The difference, okay it's not very much... propably not more as from banana milk to strawberry milk (add alcohol too both, if you are not a milkdrinker). You see a similarity, but at least they have a different taste.

Multisegmented downloading: You start to download a file from a host. Then you find other hosts which offer the same file, so you start to download from them too, but from another file positions (a little bit later inside the file). As a result you parallel download multiple segments of a file. It's much faster as we know, great!
If you need a visualisation, just have a look on Flashget (a famous download manager). It shows exactly how many parts of a file it has downloaded (blue dots) and how many segments (they call it 'jets') are parallel downloaded (streams with red dots). Optional use eDonkey, AFAIK they also provide a download visualisation.

Swarmed downloading (as far as I interpret this phrase): You download one or more swarmed segments of a file, from as many hosts as you find. One single host does not have the full file, only some very small segments. Those segments are tiny compared to the segments from multisegmented downloads (described above). While with mutisegment downloading you download a few segments parallel, with swarmed downloads you need to download hundreds/thousands of segments until the file is finished. You can mix multisegmented with swarmed downloads. Before I forget, all those swarmed segments has to be swarmed first (=distributed and uploaded)... exactly this is not implemented in any Gnutella/FastTrack/eDonkey client yet. Swarming is theory, it is thought to make more use of modem users, balance load between servents and increase overall bandwith/availability.

When ppl talking about swarmed downloads, they usually mean 'multisegmented download'. I guess, 'swarmed download' is easier to pronounce.

Greets, Moak

PS: Oh, and to make the whole issue very (!) confusing, there is Bearshare wich claims to have "Multi-Source Downloading"... which is absolutely not what it looks like! Not multisegmented or swarmed downloading, it just means 'resuming' (= when one host drops, they download from another). A better phrase would be "Single-Source Downloading" here. Commercial Gnutella vendors like marketing names.

Thanks! :)

Morgwen

You'r welcome :-)
Haven't seen you on IRC today, have U been busy?

Cya, Moak

:)

Sometimes I have to spent some time with my girlfriend! ;)

But today I will be there! :)

Morgwen