Which one of these is YOUR client running?

#1 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

(Paul Baran's vision of a linked network in the 1960s)

A: You are running Napster. What will you do if the central hub is kicked out?
B: You are running LimeWire/BearShare. What will you do if you're actually only seeing half of the network?
C: You are running Gnutella. Congratulations

Well, I dunno... I think it's rather prophetic!

zeroshadow · #2 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

Aren't LimeWire/BearShare and Gnutella the same thing?

Aeroe · #3 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

bs tends to prefer to connect to other bs clients. limewire, not so sure... i don't consider lw developers as gnutella nazis like i do with vinnie's.

zeroshadow · #4 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

But BearShare, LimeWire, and all other Gnutella clients are still all decentralized systems, not distributed, right?

#5 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

Limewire does 99% the same what Bearshare does, they are best friends (qouting Vinnie and LW staff).

but nazi is too hard, call them 'gnutella destroying $$$ greedy liars'. picture 3 is not gnutella, picture 2 is. to see what BS/LW do, make two circle in the middle of picture 2, label them 'black holes' and watch while they succ away users. Oh and add lies, spyware some hidden blocking features called clustering and prefering.

zeroshadow · #6 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

Quote:

Originally posted by Unregistered
picture 3 is not gnutella, picture 2 is.

Yes, that's what I thought. What systems use networks like picture 3?

#7 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

cut/paste from "The BearShare BlackHole Test" http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...?threadid=9192
Don't get sucked into the BearShare BlackHole!
A map of the new "clustering" network plan for Gnutella:

O = "outsider" (anyone using a non commercial client, Gnucleus, XoloX, etc..)
B = BearShare (aka BlackHole)
L = LimeWire

Code:


                                           O  O  O  O  O
                                       O O  \ |  |  | /  O O
                                      O \ \ BBBBBBBBBBB / / O   O  <- (ready to be sucked in)
                                     O \ \BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB/ /   /
                                    O \ BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB   O  O
                                   O \ BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB /  /
                                    \ BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB -
                             O - O - BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB - RIAA/MPAA (listening post attached to home page)
                                     BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB
                                    / BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB \
                                   O   BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB   O - O  <- (another victim is ready)
                                      / BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBB \   \
                                     O  / BBBBBBBBBBBBBBB \  O  |
                                       O /  BBBBBBBBBBB  \ O    |     "Vinnie$$Net"
                                        O    / | | |  \   O     |
                                            O  O O O   O        |
                                                 |              |
                                           O     O     O        |
                                            \    |    /         |
                                      O     LLLLLLLLLLL     O   O  <- (soon to be sucked into BS)
                                       \  LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL  /   /
                                    O   LLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL   O
                                     \ LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL /
                                      LLLLLLLLLLOLLLLOLLLLLLL
                             O - O - LLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL - O
                                     LLLLLLLLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLL
                                    / LLLLLOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL \
                                   O   LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOLLLLL   O
                                      / LLLLLLLLOLLLLLLLLLL \
                                     O    LLLLLLLLLLLLLLL    O
                                         /  LLLLLLLLLLL  \            "LimeWireNet"
                                        O        |        O
                                                 O         \
                                                 |         |
                                     O - O - O - O         |
                                    /     \       \        |
                                   O       O       O - O - O
                                   |      /       / \  |    \
                               O - O     O       O   O O - O O
                               |    \    |      /    |      \          "GnutellaNet"
                               O     O   O     O     O       O
                                \    |  /       \     \      |

So how do you like being the OUTSIDER ?

Think about what it takes for one outsider to reach another outsider across the "BlackHole" !
Does this serve Vinnie $$$ or Gnutella?
Greed sucks! Fight back, cluster away from the greed!

#8 (**permalink**) March 29th, 2002

I almost forgot the best part, when Vinnie has to admit he put in "preferencing code". Then later he has to admit he is "preferencing" in his public host cache. Then a little later he has to admit to BS "preferencing" where a upload port always waits for a BS client only.
ANYTHING ELSE WE SHOULD KNOW ABOUT???

________________________________________________
Vinnie BearShare Developer

Wow

Actually, the diagram is roughly accurate.

The BearShare preferencing code is designed to create a concentrated core base of BearShare nodes, with connections to other servents delegated to
the fringe of this core.

This provides the best performance for BearShare users, and still ensures that the entire network is connected.
________________________________________________
Edit that last part SB: "and still ensures that the entire network is connected as outsiders, so I have a back up in case I screw up again"

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