I must say what they are trying to I don't like one bit. Even if they warn a user that a download will stop if they kill an upload, they will be able to kill it after download has completed (correct me if I'm wrong).

They only way to stop leeching is to implement the share ratio in to the program. Like say anything under a 1/1 is totally unacceptable and will disable torrentprotocol.

We all know that most home broadbandservices have much faster download than upload. A user might be downloading three 4 GB+ files at a time. While he is downloading these files, he's uploading lets say 1 GB. After the downloads finish he then removes the files from his shares meaning he is leeching 3 GB

BTW this should also partly apply to the Gnutella network as well because this is what is going on with many users. I understand very well that torrentsites dislike the idea that Limewire will be able to download torrents. If this is really what they're going to do then every torrentprogram on earth will be releasing a new version that will block ALL Limewire users from connecting to their program. Some allready block bittorentprograms that have the option of DHT connection because of a slight chance that advanced users find a way around the shareratio and just leech.

Where would be a good place to start a discusion about this that the developers actually see ?

General P2P Network Discussion

I know what you mean & mostly agree. But what about people like myself who don't have great upload capacities. If such a person could only download a multi-GB file at 5-7 KB/s then it would keep that slot busy for a long, long time!

But I was concerned about the same thing for the general communities as I read through the details yesterday. And what about LW's Gnutella sharing whilst using bittorrents which was an obvious point made.

My thoughts would be to put a limit on upload abilities in both worlds. ie: a minimum upload capacity of a reasonable amount before both protocols could be used at the same time. eg: 5 or 10 KB/s (perhaps per slot)

Shareaza, whilst a good program, is a good example of where being in more than one p2p world at the same time doesn't work very well if certain measures aren't taken. Raza is thought of as a freeloader by some people, due to the minimal downld speeds you can get from them in most cases. Whilst I say that, raza is the only other pc app I have some appreciation of thru experience. But it does have those suggested draw backs which I think LW could design around. Pity raza proggies have such a weak attitude toward gnutella 1.

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Having an option for the longest time doesn't make it right. Raza is no good anyway and I'm sure they have less succes getting torrents than other torrentprograms. Using BitComet a pretty popular file 700 MB took me 1 hour 40 minutes

And I'm not even on a private tracker

I understand your concern LOTR but it is still very possible to keep a 1/1 ratio. I did not in any way mean that you would only get the same speed downloading as you were uploading. I meant that if let's say 5 torrents were downloaded maybe 4 GB in all then the user would get a message saying that leeching is not allowed and no more torrents until ratio is back up to 1/1 (4 GB up only torrentfiles) same should be implemented for the Gnutella network with maybe 100 downloads because of size difference. The reason (I'm pretty sure everyone has noticed) that Limewire is slowly going downhill is because a bigger and bigger portion of the users are nothing but slimy freeloading leeches.

I look carefully at share ratio when using bittorrent. I do not clear a download until I have uploaded at least the same amount that I have downloaded. I do this by both downloading and uploading during my flatrate hours and then only seeding 2/3 of the day This gets me close to a 1/1 ratio. If I don't have something to download I still seed during my flatrate hours getting me over the 1/1 ratio.

BTW LOTR you're more than welcome to copy the portion of the thread dealing with this issue to "General P2P Network Discussion"

(edit: Thanks. That was fast )