Gnucleus users, welcome to the OpenSource P2P Net!
 

You use your network resources and spend your personal time sharing your
files to the network.
Did you know other people are making big bucks and buying new cars
because of your efforts?
Do you want your efforts to go towards corporate overhead?
Do you spend your time sharing files so other greedy people can get rich?
Are you worried that the RIAA/MPAA can pressure commercial P2P companies
into giving them your personal information through threats of law suits?
If greed is #1 and the RIAA offers them $$$ do you think they will turn it down?
Are you tired of spyware and popup ads?

Join the OpenSource P2P Net today!

No corporate greed is allowed on the OpenSource P2P Net! If a client
does not provide source code and/or tries to make money from their
software, the client is blocked automatically!

No spyware, no popup ads because it's open source!

Only pure P2P file sharing, like it should be!

It's easy! Look for patches or new versions of your favorite open source
client on this forum! Gnucleus is the first to have a easy patch and is ready to
join the OpenSource P2P Net!

Here's the patch to get on the OpenSource P2P Net:

In Gnucleus, "GnucleusDoc.cpp" at about line 115
ModeNetwork = "GNUTELLA";

All you have to do is change it to
ModeNetwork = "OPENSOURCE";

And you are ready to go!
Anyone want to supply a downloadable version?
It wouldn't be hard to add to "Preferences.cpp" a line that would allow this to be changed in the "GnuConfig.ini" file.

How dumb are you people?
 

Do you really think Vinnie is rolling in money? I hope he is making enough to live on but I seriously doubt that he is getting rich from BS. Even if he makes money so what? He is putting alot of hard work into the development of BS. The only work you are willing to put into gnutella development is to destroy the network by changing 1 line in the source of a client you didnt even write. Get a life. You complain about Vinnie creating a private network (which he hasnt) and then go and try the same thing. HYPOCRITE!!


No one will find any files on your lame little network.

Re: How dumb are you people?
 

Others do the same without payment!

Morgwen

And he is only putting the work in for the Bear$hare network.
Plus he puts all his users and even the rest of the network at risk by having closed source and a commercial interest (think RIAA and other greedy corporations).

if you want to bitch....
 

While everyone is so busy bitching about BS has anyone looked at Morpheus. They are the biggest commercial interest in gnutella right now.

When they release Morpheus 2.0 it is not clear if it will even still be part of the gnutella network or not. And, they have already said that 2.0 will contain Copy Right Enforcement technology.

So much for gnucleus being the number 1 client as soon as 2.0 is released.

Quite wasting your time fighting BS and worry about morpheus instead.


BTW, while many people do put alot of hard work into their clients for free I have yet to see a non-commercial client that can compare with Bearshare or Limewire. Gnucleus is great and I hope it continues to get much better but John can't keep up doing the programing on the side.

Re: if you want to bitch....
 

You poor boy, try to build up a new picture of an enemy?

No, Mopheus hasn't made any unfriendly steps against the Gnutella network as Vinnie, nor sneaky attempts to brake up the network. But indeed Morpheus is open source and we all can learn from their improvements.... Morpheus good, Bearshare bad.

Re: Re: if you want to bitch....
 

Sounds familiar. Bearshare fanatics were bitching against Xolox (best client of it's time).... now (after Vinnie silently blocked Xolox with some unfounded v0.4 blabla) they will bitch against Morpheus because it's the client with biggest market share. The old story.

get ready for morpheus to screw you
 

Can you say digital rights management. YES, thats right, Morpheus is introducing copyright protection into 2.0. And no, it probably wont be opensource when 2.0 is released. Its not even clear if it will still be part of the gnutella network.

The new modified Gnucleus (1.6.3) and more info for the OpenSource P2P Net is at
http://snow.prohosting.com/openp2p/

Post your IP's in the "General" area here when you get it running.

A diff file is available there too.

I don't know about you but after reading about Morpheus spying I am sick of this
211.11.204.18 port 6347
I tested it from work today and it works!
I have 4000 MP3's in my computer
please connect to me I am waiting

hey frank I connected to you!
67.224.46.219:6347
up 24/7 this is fun, thanks swabby!

So, Morpheus is spying who cares? Change the client!

Morgwen

67.224.207.114:6347
24/7 or bust!

and no busy signals!

came home and looked at screeen 75 GB files available and growing! Whooo Hoooo!

Use me as a static host cache!!
24.234.19.159:6347
This is a static IP and should be good for a long time!
I put it on an old computer so I never will turn it off.
About 1500 files on there too.

New project site at Sourceforge! "Official" home page
http://opensourcep2p.sourceforge.net/

Project page is
http://sourceforge.net/projects/opensourcep2p/

Thanks for participating in the new OpenSource P2P Net!

Note: If you lose all connections, type a IP from the forum into the "Connections Advanced" box and click "Add". Once you type the IP in it will stay in the little box and you can just click "Add" again if you lose it again. Stick with it!

New modified Gnucleus version!

Features:

* Connects to the OpenSource P2P Net by default
* Still works as a Gnutella client, with or without blocking
* You control all aspects of blocking, it's your choice!
* Network type, name and blocking settings are all via the GUI
* Move around the network to find rare files!
* Selectively block clients that are causing problems
* Selectively block clients to move around the clustered net
* Block all for profit clients with one push of a button
* Find out for yourself that you don't need commercial clients to share files!
* Change from OpenSource P2P Net to Gnutella from the GUI
* Create a custom network name, start your own private network!
* Avoid your sys-admin if packet sniffers are looking for "GNUTELLA"
* Default lists of clients included to help select blocking
* All this and it's free! No Greed!

* Static host catchers now reload properly with delay
* Internal host cache is now larger so it's harder to run dry

Checked with the latest norton antivirus.
Just replace the Gnucleus.exe file in your Programs-Gnucleus folder.

Please be patient with the new OpenSource P2P Net, it will take
a little while to develop more nodes on the network. You can help
by running yours 24/7 or as long as possible. Enable for profit
client blocking and you will still be able to get/share files
with all the non profit clients!

This was about 40+ hours of work & testing.
Kudos to whoever put up a static IP server at 24.234.19.159:6347
very handy! Thanks!
And thanks to Simeon for providing a Linux version!
Patch posted to sourceforge. Swabby, let me know if you need a different format or what not. I work for cheap! :)
http://opensourcep2p.sf.net/

Its important to gnutella that I cooperate with all gnutella clients, commercial or not. Please email me about this.

Anonnn, while I certainly understand and appreciate your idea to set up an open-source ONLY network, I must bring to light an important fact.. that is while I'm sure that you support the idea of free and open access to all, thus being the idea behind Open Source, your idea contradicts these fundamentals.

By locking out other networks and restricting access, you are replaying the recent situation with AOL Instant Messenger and Trillian. Locking users out will only serve to alienate your cause.

Users need a choice, now they have one. It's totally up to them what they do with this.
Do you trust the users to make the right choice, or do you force them to be victims of corporate greed with no choice?

Before this I had no choice.
For example: it seems that when I connect to one BearShare node, then others connect back till I have nothing but BearShare nodes connected. (I am using Gnucleus)
I search and most of the results come from BearShare nodes.
I don't know about you, but BearShare people don't seem to know what good music is. I have my own tastes you know.
So now I can selectivly block BearShare or Morpheus, or even Gnucleus and move around the network to find my music or any other rare files.
It's so nice to have that choice!
If I hear something on the forums here about a client getting greedy, or spying on it's users, I have the choice to block that client and not support it by letting it use my computer network resources.
When I hear that that client has removed the spyware, I can simply change a few settings and that client is not on my bad list anymore.
Power to the people!
If I hear that a old client is creating a problem for the network, I can simply add it to my list to help the network without waiting for a developer group to decide what to do.
What could be so wrong with giving the users a choice?

That's silly logic, and it doesn't wash with me. You could apply the same method of thinking to many things. Of course users have a choice, but frankly, no, I don't trust alot of them to make the right one.

By the same token, do you force users to be victims of a smaller, less free network?

What I am perceiving from this message is that you want the choice to exclude BearShare users. I suppose that could be a personal choice, although I don't completely understand the rationalle towards it. I used to use BearShare, simply because someone recommended it to me as a good file-sharing tool. Does that mean that I don't have good taste in music? That's not really for anyone to say.

The Gnutella network was founded on the principles of open source. As soon as someone starts selectively choosing exactly WHO is allowed to get that open access, you are contributing to the degradation of the service.

Adware is a fact of life now. I don't use it personally, but it is out there, and that can't be helped. The fact remains that BearShare has contributed to the success of the Gnutella network. A vast amount of files are online because of BearShare, and I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.

With most clients you can manually block IPs, cancel uploads and remove nodes from the connection screen, so what makes this so different?
The only difference I see is that I can have the computer do it rather than use my mouse.

You're completely missing my point. Typically, a person wouldn't cancel an upload based solely on the client the downloader has chosen to use.

As I understand it, the goal of the OpenSource p2p network is to discourage the use of commercial gain from the Gnutella network. That's fine, and I support the idea. I don't however, support the method in which this aim is being achieved. By excluding select users based on their client, you are hurting the end user, as opposed to the client's developer.

You hurt both!

What do you suggest?

Morgwen

Maybe the corporate clients will move to their own private network, then the users can pick what network they want to be on, one with greed and pop up ads, or the ad free one.
Either way it's all up to the users and the community, they now have the power.

I suggest continuing on the way we are going right now, with for-profit and not-for-profit clients co-existing. The user should be able to choose which client he or she would rather use, rather than being forced to use a spyware-free client in order to access specific nodes.

Yes, you are right. The users and the community have the power, just as they always have. Let's continue to ensure that freedom, by allowing users to continue file-sharing with anyone, without being forced to use specific clients.

Even if the OpenSource p2p network is successful, the for-profit client developers will simply adapt their software to be able to access the OpenSource network. And I would support that, in fact.

I'll say it again: I do not support the idea of limiting peoples' ability to share files with each other.

You can already automatically block/drop people who don't have enough "friends" in Gnucleus and some other clients, meaning nodes with a limited horizon. That is picking on those poor people who don't have a lot of bandwidth, IE modem users or people in another country.
Those internal private college LANs won't let you in from the outside, they block you too. They also block anyone on the internal LAN that doesn't have the correct LAN name entered.
At 300 plus nodes they don't seem to have a problem sharing at all so it doesn't matter.
Your horizon on Gnutella is limited even now to a few thousand nodes (or less). You are blocked from the rest of the network, how can you move around to other areas?
Blocking is already happening in many ways, this is just the next step in giving the user more choices, and more power over how he shares.
Some people want to create their own semi private network of friends, you can easily do that now and block any "outside" connections.

That's different. You're bringing up examples that are irrelevant to the topic. I object to blocking as a matter of principle, while the examples you have raised all revolve around blocking due to technical necessity.

But the profit clients should follow some rules than, what they NOT do!

So if we go the old way what will happen? I think we will have a profit dominated Gnutella - do you want this?

Morgwen

This topic is turning slightly political.. however, OK, I'll bite. Profit dominated Gnutella? I use Gnucleus. I'm not affected by advertising in the slightest.

I think that users, given the choice will opt for the advertising-free client overall. Most typical users are not aware of the terms Gnucleus, or even Gnutella. But if you mention BearShare, or LimeWire, these are the brand-names they are looking for. This is why these clients are so successful. Typical users are simply not aware of the OpenSource movement.

Why do you think that we will have a profit dominated Gnutella? I think that this will only affect users who choose to use advertising ridden clients. The keyword in that sentence is choose. I choose to use advertising free software. What you are suggesting is that everyone be forced to use a ad-free client to be able to access the OpenSource specific nodes. Why? I say that if people choose to knowingly load adware ridden clients onto their own computers, hey, who am I to oppose that? I'll happily use my Gnucleus, knowing that I'm using the better client.

It's up to each individual user to decide.

What are some ground rules that you would like to see instituted for the for-profit clients? And more importantly, how would you suggest that rules regarding an open protocol are enforced?

And I'd like to hear from the developers behind the OpenSource p2p Network on this topic.. it's getting quite interesting. :)

I have a technical necessity to technically remove greed from the network :) The point was blocking is already happening this just makes it easier for the user to choose.But by using those clients they are making a buck for the corporation from MY CPU cycles, electricity, network resources, and so on and I want a choice not to contribute. That's the point.
The longer you let them on the network, the more they will spam, spy and use us, they can't stop themselves, it's pure greed. So I choose not to provide support for them. They need to go create their own closed network and do what they want with their client only.
Yes you will lose a few nodes, but it's worth it in the long run.
The power is now in the hands of the people, not the corporations.
Debate thread http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...?threadid=9888
Zeropaid article http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../04012002b.php

Well said.

First I'd like to address your point about 'technical necessity'. What I was referring to, and perhaps should have made more clear, is that the examples you brought up of blocking were because of the technical limitations of the Internet. Example being that sending a file from Chile to Russia typically would result in a poor connection, because of poor infrastructure and dropped packets, so on and so forth. Therefore, it is quite acceptable to block nodes such as these. It is a totally different story to block Buddy from the north end of town because he uses LimeWire. See where I'm going with this?

Regarding your point about making a buck from your CPU, this is perhaps the strongest argument that can be made for the OpenSource p2p. And it is one that I can agree with. You're totally right; your CPU is contributing to the wealth of those who would manipulate the Gnutella network for their self-benefit.

That being said however, your CPU is being used for that purpose in a very indirect manner. You don't see ad banners popping up when Joe@BearShare downloads something from you. But yes, I know, it's the principle of the matter. While it is true that your CPU is contributing the wealth of these developers, your CPU is also contributing to the growth of Gnutella and the freedom to share information. And isn't that what it's all about?

How do they spam, spy, and use you? You use Gnucleus, am I right in presuming this?

They will never create their own closed network. It is important to their userbase that they be able to access all nodes, OpenSource or not. And by the definition of OpenSource, they would be able to do that.

My strongest argument on this topic is on the definition of OpenSource.

_snip_
5. No Discrimination Against Persons or Groups
The license must not discriminate against any person or group of persons.

Rationale: In order to get the maximum benefit from the process, the maximum diversity of persons and groups should be equally eligible to contribute to open sources. Therefore we forbid any open-source license from locking anybody out of the process.

Some countries, including the United States, have export restrictions for certain types of software. An OSD-conformant license may warn licensees of applicable restrictions and remind them that they are obliged to obey the law; however, it may not incorporate such restrictions itself.

6. No Discrimination Against Fields of Endeavor
The license must not restrict anyone from making use of the program in a specific field of endeavor. For example, it may not restrict the program from being used in a business, or from being used for genetic research.

Rationale: The major intention of this clause is to prohibit license traps that prevent open source from being used commercially. We want commercial users to join our community, not feel excluded from it.
_/snip_

Please refer to http://www.opensource.org/docs/definition.html. This is about as straight from the horse's mouth as you can get.

Whoops, I wasn't aware that there was already an ongoing debate on this issue.. Could an admin move my posts over to http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...&threadid=9888 please? Thanks for the heads up, Unreg.

Very well said! I have seen people who cut off uploaders they don't like for one reason or another, and that isn't technical.
I think the GNU license applies to the source code, and not in the way the program is used by the user.
See my response in the other thread, I would like to continue there.

Is this open network still up and running ?
I tried to connect and added all the ip's mentioned in this thread, but I can't get connected.........

Maybe not
 

The last week or so I have been unable to connect to the one 'host cache' - was hoping it was something technical, but maybe the dude's just given up.

Dude who put up the permanent IP as a 'host cache' - please put it back up!

Nos