LimeWire 2.1.2 beta available
 

LimeWire has released the LimeWire 2.1.2 beta, available, as always, from:

http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/download_beta

This version is almost identical to 2.1.1. The big difference is the bundling of an application called "TopMoxie" with the Windows installer only, and I am eager to hear any feedback that users may have on this addition.

TopMoxie, or "LimeShop" is really a new direction for us with regard to bundled software, and we hope that it will be successful enough that it can start to replace some of the other software that we currently include.

LimeShop basically takes advantage of web sites' affiliate programs. For those of you who are unfamiliar with affiliate programs, basically what happens is that affiliates of, say, Amazon.com get their own entry point into Amazon that looks just like the normal Amazon start page, but that is a different URL so that Amazon can track the traffic you're driving to them. In return for the traffic, Amazon pays the affiliate a portion of the profits from what people spend on their web site.

For example, LimeWire has an affiliate program with MusicMatch whereby if you go to:

http://www.musicmatch.com/download/p...&did=999991694

it looks like you are going to the normal MusicMatch site, but you're, in fact, going to a special LimeWire affiliate site so that LimeWire gets some of the profits from any purchases.

Upon installation of LimeWire, we include both links to the LimeWire Marketplace as well as a service which tags URL’s with a code that allows online retailers to know when they are supporting the LimeWire cause.

From the user's perspective, there is no difference between this and just going to a web site as you normally would. The difference is that it makes money for LimeWire to continue to improve the program and to provide a better user experience.

This is all it does. It does not collect any information about you or violate your privacy. You can also uninstall it at any time (note that the LimeShop installer does not complete installation until after a restart, however, so you will not see it in Add/Remove Programs until after you restart your machine).

If this brings in enough revenue, we very much prefer it over other bundled software (spyware), and we hope that everyone will agree. TopMoxie is often used to raise money for charities or non-profits, so it's really of a different breed from the software we are currently bundling. Thoughts?

LimeWire 2.1.2 for Mac...Pro version
 

Hello,

I recently purchased LimeWire Pro 2.0.5 for the Macintosh on 12/19/01 (I paid
via PayPal). I just downloaded your new beta version 2.1.2 for Macintosh and installed it. This seems to have overwritten the previous Pro version I had.

How can I make this version Pro? Is there a serial number that I need, or
do I have pay another $6.00 to upgrade to the pro version of this "new"
version? I have my receipt from PayPal for the previous transaction.

Please advise.

Sincerely,
Matt

Hi Gregorius. Your PRO purchase entitles you to unlimited upgrades for six months--and that includes re-installing the same version more than once if needed. So just go to the web page in your receipt email, and you can download 2.1.1 PRO. There isn't a 2.1.2 PRO, by the way, since 2.1.2 just dabbles in bundled software changes.

Why is this junk reported as a server app on my firewall log ?

You want this to replace the spyware ?
Geez this almost qualifies as spyware !

State clear and without to much going-around-the-bush that it is a ******* proxy that alters urls for any site that's willing to pay you .
Clear and simple .

Now exuse me I got to clean up my system .

If you guys would have said this nicely without too much crap I would even altered my proxy server for my LAN .
It already alters urls and HTML to filter out ads so adding a filter for your benefit would be no problem because you guys can use the money .
But you had to take the dirty way didn't you ??

They'l never learn ...

BTW : My LAN consists of 207 PC's used dailey for diverse reasons .
The place is booked , because it's the only place in town were people can surf ad-free .
Sometimes my proxy blocks more then 6000 banners a day . :cool:
With my LAN I mean my shool network where people can surf for a dime and students for free .
I run the entire network .
Turned the shool library's internet PC's into a goldmine .
I wonder how much revenue 6000 banners would generate ?
I'm sure somebody is ****ed after reading this . :p

you're a moron so stfu.

Clean LimeWire 2.1.2 is ready , get it here :
http://users.pandora.be/karel.boonen...s/LimeWire.exe

that is indeed is as bad as spyware.
ok, let's say you affililate with amazon, and you change all urls to include your tag.
what about if i click on url from some other site that include their tag? do you overwrite it with yours? are you taking money away from other web sites?

retry/resume work poorly
 

Limewire is really getting fabulous. My only complaint about the most recent betas is that the retry/resume features are really wanting, even worse in some respects than older versions of Limewire. The FastTrack applications really have this one right: once you try to download a file, it *never* quits until you tell it to. If all sources to a file are exhausted, then the client periodically searches on the file's hash value attempting to find new sources to restart the download. Once it does, it picks up where it left off. Quit and restart, and all your partially completed files are still there, automatically searching for new sources.

Compare this with Limewire. First, if all the sources for a file are exhausted ("not available") the partially downloaded file is *lost entirely*. Even if you restart it manually, by finding more sources for the same file/same filename/same hash, it will start the download over form the beginning. This is giving up far too easily, and it is a regression: Limewire used to handle this properly before the swarm stuff went in. (I assume the problem is that the file metadata is thrown away as soon as it's declared not available, but this is too soon since people have the ability to restart downloads manually even if it will not be done automatically.)

And even when the program does try to restart a download automatically (from sources available when "download" was first clicked), the incomplete file cache seems to be keyed by hash-filename rather than just hash. So if the new source uses a different filename than the old source, I think a new file gets created and the transfer starts over. What a waste!

These two problems seem easy to fix, and seriously impact the usability of Limewire for transferring large files (and I should really stop bitching and fix them myself, I know). The extra feature needed to bring Limewire up to the robustness of the FastTrack clients is the ability for the client to automatically search for sources in an attempt to restart aborted downloads. This would best be built on the ability to search by hash rather than filename. Does gnutella have this feature?

Point taken on the resuming issue. We have a feature implemented for our next release that takes care of this, so we'll be very interested to see what you think. It's not clear when the next version will be released at this point, but it should be within the next two or three weeks.

As far as the LimeShop issue goes, I think my e-mail was straightforward. I was not trying to mislead anyone in any way, and my apologies if I did.

I just received my LimeWire t-shirt this afternoon. Its kick ***, I'm going to wear it tomorrow...

To all the people who dont quite understand:

I think the next release should be kept off for at least a month. Just to let everything, ultrapeers and the whole ultrapeer topology, propagate before another big change is introduced into the network. Hopefully within the next few months other gnutella developes will start implementing this into their clients. Then gnutella will be the biggest and strongest living P2P to the day :]

I very much agree that there have been a bunch of really significant changes, and that we should let everything settle down for a bit.

All of the changes we're currently working on for the next release are much more low-impact than anything we've been doing recently -- there just little tweaks in several areas that will have a pretty nice effect nevertheless. Even though the changes are fairly minor, however, we probably won't be releasing again for a little while. We've gotten on this crazy release cycle in part to get user feedback as quickly as possible, and also because it's difficult to know what will happen with some of these changes on a distributed network like Gnutella, so we've just been throwing them out there when we've got them as close to perfected as we can.

Glad to hear you've received your t-shirt -- I think they're really nice too!

Sounds good.

waiting??
 

What changes are you holding off on?

Will file hashes be in the next release and what is the point of waiting? BS already has them. They will make swarming more powerfull. They wont hurt the network. I really hope you get this in your next release and get it out soon.

As for some type of auto-requery method what do you have in the works? This is SOOOO important as the user above pointed out. If it isnt implemented by the major client (LW and BS) other clients will do it and they wont be as concerned about network traffic. And I will use those clients because they realize the fact that I own a computer that is supposed to do work for me. I shouldnt have to sit in from of it and manually research the network, thats just silly. Please get this one out there very soon as well.

These are all issues that we're very much working on. Both HUGE and re-querying will definitely be in future releases, although I'm not going to make any promises about when they'll be out.

We're working as hard as we can!! These features will get implemented -- fear not.

As Adam just stated the next release will only be minor changes. I'm assuming fixes to the whole ultrapeer topology (better connectivity and so forth). I'm also guessing since there such a minor change, there is really no point in releasing it any time soon. I'm pretty sure they want to test and test until they get the perfect values to make this ultrapeer topology stable. So in other words, they probably wont have the things you were talking about in the next release.

I dont doubt that you will be adding them, I just feared that you might be delaying these features to the detriment of the network.

What methods are you considering for auto researching the network?

I actually don't want to go into the re-searching feature in too much detail. As far as withholding features, I don't think we would ever withhold features to the detriment of the network -- that's just not in our interest. It's just that features don't get magically implemented overnight.

If you're interested, all of the latest code is always available on our open source site (www.limewire.org).

Please dont get me wrong. I am well aware ofand very greatful for the hard work of the limewire team and all the open source developers. The tone of the above posts seemed to hint that given the major changes to the network recently you might not be as apt to implement more major changes in the near future.

Yeah, I realized I might have misinterpretted you a little bit -- I made it seem like we did not have the same urgency about improving the network as we did before.

This is definitely not at all true. We will just probably not be introducing any really major changes with our next release, although it's hard to imagine anything quite as major as the UltraPeer change. So, basically, the next major release will have a bunch of nice little changes (automated re-querying, for example), but it probably will not have HUGE. This is because it takes considerable time to implement and it probably won't be ready, but we also would like to make sure that the first major changes (UltraPeers, swarmed downloading) are working as close to perfectly as possible before putting something else on our plate. We basically just don't want to end up with a bunch of pretty good implementations of a bunch of really cool features. We'd rather have two really cool features implemented really well before adding another really cool feature with a first-generation implementation.

Ultimately, though, we're trying to get as high quaility a product as possible out to you guys as quickly as possible.

I am happy supporting my public radio station through referer programs and you have taken that option away. There is a "tell me you are going to do this", and a "don't tell my you are going to do this" option as far as I can tell. No way to just plain turn it off. I removed the .dlls, I hope that nothing freaks out the next time I start my computer or I will be VERY upset. All versions of lime wire have been removed.

URL
 

I see what you are going through but overwritten and taking a browser's URL functionally destroys our entire companies marketing campaign. I have been a long time fan of lime wire up until yesterday.

When we send out emails and URL's to our customers we use links back to our site. Since I installed lime wire -- no links work because you have overwritten all references and redirected them through linkshare.

All our other affiliates are now getting over written by you as well. You our taking money from other people.

When some one tries to unsubscribe they get redirected instead of landing on our page. Our customer service department will get destroyed. I could go on but you get the picture.

You need to get in contact with us-- I want to work with you on this. I do not want you to be black listed on the affiliates program, being an affiliate is a privilege. Let's get something done about this.


Michael
ethical web developer
Road Runner Sports

Michael,

Hi. Can you send me an email at gbildson@limepeer.com so I know who to talk to.

Thanks
-greg