Morpheus p2p
 

it seems that morpheus has taken over from napster as with that program there are usally around 44000 connected on line at a time. with Gnucleus your very lucky to get over 1000.

Why is morpheus so popular?

Are there more people on line because it is not on the gnutella network?

For me the morpheus p2p software is not as well presented as gnucleus and also I find it very unstable (keep getting page error fault in Kernel????? whatever) theres also adverts all over the place.

I wish gnucleus could compete with this program so we could have more choice and more than 10 people or so in the chat rooms. Is it possible?

Re: Morpheus p2p
 

i am not a gnucleus user, but i am a gnutella network user.. i think the way to get more people on to "compete" with morpheus is to stop trash talking the program, encourage its developers, and try to get more people on the network.....

but this is just a thought :)

Re: Morpheus p2p
 

Because Morpheus use fasttrack... this protocol uses more advaced technics than GNUTELLA - like swarming!

So Morpheus is faster than any GNUTELLA client can be at the moment!

Gnucleus... yes we all have wishes but this is far future for GNUTELLA - I hate to say this!

Morgwen

Do you mean that Fasttrack uses real swarming or multi-segmented d/l's?

Please, don't confuse me again :)

REAL swarming - swarming is a fasttrack technic! :)

Morgwen

Have you really seen real swarming in Fasttrack?
I know that Mojonation use swarming, if you mean lot of small segments that's circulating around the network, like some some sort of mirroring.
I believe that Fasttrack only use multi-segmented pararell downloads (or multi-source pararell d/l'ing) , I haven't seen any sign of real swarming in Fasttrack.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

I got confusion running around my brain :)

Yes - fasttrack has REAL swarming, if you don´t believe me ask Moak! :)

Morgwen

On Edonkey you start sharing your file even though you only have a small percentage of it. This reduces freeloading.

February 12, 2002

P2P Networks
Network Users Online
Morpheus/KaZaA 537,294
iMesh 174,254
eDonkey 87,914
Gnutella 58,705
DirectConnect 51,195
FileNavigator 11,700
SongSpy 10,208
Blubster 3,944

Moak (or someone else), is Morpheus really using real swarming, similar to Mojo nation? Is it a way to see it?
Thanks in advance for reducing my confusion, I hope :)

that's the 1st time i ever heard that fasttrack has "swarming".
as far as i know it uses regular segmented http downloads..

i think we all are getting confused.
fasttrack, winmx, edonkey and perhaps some other use regular segmented downloads...think regular download managers like getright or reget or flashget or 50mill other prgrms.
they don't store "part" of the network on your hd unless you d/l that file

I'm not sure if Fasttrack has "real swarming".... as far as I take Fasttrack as an inspiration and not briefly analyze it. I never hearded Fasttrack or eDonkey have real swarming... they have multisegmented downloading (+ superpeers, file hashs, partial upload).

NOW I am confused... :confused:

perhaps this REAL swarming is only a tale...

I never used Mojo nation!

Morgwen

Who started with that strange idea of calling 'multisegmented downloads' in Gnutella clients 'Swarming' should be kicked. :D

Hmm...

I don´t know who was... it started on bearshare.net!

Yes the people still think bearshare has swarming...

Morgwen

Perhaps it was Vinnie...

qoute:

Vinnie MusicCity Morpheus. It's searches are fairly decent, it is easy to get connected to the network, and the swarm download implementation is quite effective.

He is also saying that Morpheus/fasttrack has swarming too...

Should we kick him now! ;)

Morgwen

i 1st heard of "swarming" on limewire forum.
perhaps we should start educating everybody about proper terms. no more that stupid "swarming" word.
SEGMENTED DOWNLOADING!

and you do contribute to the confusion. end of story.

:rolleyes:

Sorry, I know you're writing a good client (and nice documentations too). I wanted to tease you a little bit ...when I saw that you're telling 'swarming' and 'segmented downloading' is the same and "end of story". There is a difference in my eyes and I see no reason why Gnutella users should mix technical phrases. I appologize for being too rude!

Greets, Moak :)


OOPS - you edited out your comments, should I too? :rolleyes:

there's a lot of confusion here, but for the record as I understand it ...

Swarming: A file is uploaded to the "network" and stored on any number of different peers in bits and pieces. The idea is to have more availability and redundancy. As far as I know only Mojo and Freenet do this. Also IMHO it doesn't work as good as it sounds - with big files you eventually wind up with pieces missing making the whole file useless.

Segmented Downloads: This is simply downloading parts of the file simultaneously from different people sharing it. It works well as long as the file is being shared by more than one person. Both FastTrack and Gnutella have the possibility of doing this although only a few Gnutella peers currently do.

One big disadvantage Gntuella faces is it must rely on filename or keyword searches to find more sources. This isn't too reliable and each source found must be checked by the peer before it can be sure it's really part of the same file. FastTarck can search based on the file's hash alone and reliably find other sources even if they're named completely different.

One of the problems with LimeWire's "UltraMegaSuperPeers" (or whatever they're calling 'em these days), is it still doesn't seems to provide for reliable location of additional sources. In fact, finding more sources - even just a single one to continue a broken download - has always been one of LimeWire's major weaknesses. The developers have repeatedly claimed LimeWire resumes downloads, but any user can tell you it's rare that it works, and once a file goes into the "can't be downloaded" status you're SOL. Very bad if you have 90meg of a 100meg file! FastTrack always keeps an eye out and will pick up new sources when they come online. Given enough time, FastTrack will eventually get all of even the biggest files.

What makes me frustrated is LimeWire had the potential to match this but seems to have flubbed it. They had to redo the protocol for SuperPeers anyway, so why not do it completely right this time (or at least match FastTrack)?

Swarming is ok, we'll probably move towards stuff like that in the future, but right now there's still some more important improvements to be made to the file sharing system.

Segmented downloading is really working great on gnutella, very versitile, files of the same size in bytes are grouped together and used as sources for a single download. Corrupt chunks are filtered out by using roll-back verification, which compares the overlapping ends of chunks to make sure they contain the same data. In real world distribution this is working 100% of the time, and corrupt chunks rarely even come up. Good news, but there's more to be done.

BearShare has contributed the proposals to search and share with file hashes. Also another cool contribution by BearShare is the X-Alternate-Location header, which comes up when you start downloading from a host, it will give you a list of other hosts with the same file. Often these hosts are beyond your viewable horizon, very useful feature.

UltraPeers proposal by LimeWire is cool also, Gnucleus and BearShare will support it soon. Basically it should expand the viewable network by a factor of 20 or more if all hosts are using it, also it will lessen the bandwidth needed by nodes to be part of the network.

The best of gnutella is still ahead.

in answer to the original post - ie why isnt bearshare / limeware / gnutella network as popular as morpheous the people i have spoken to who use morpheous have not heard of this network or those that have said "but its got spyware".

i doubt if any of these people know anything at all about swarming or fast track (i didnt even untill a while ago) and therefore think this is issue is irelavent to the original question.

i use winmx and gnucleus. neither of wich have got adverts. gnucleus so far wins hands down on the software side. yet winmx seems to have so many more of the files i am after but im
just not prepared to sit there and wet nurse it for 24 hours when trying to dl a large file becuase it just gives up so easily.

maybe gnucleus could become multi network?

Colin.

I think it's just that FastTrack works better right now. People notice they get better results - they really don't have to understand why.

Gnutella was first, and FastTrack was designed to account for many of its weaknesses. The only problem is it's not an open protocol, and now that they use a central server for authorization, it can be shut down like any other private P2P network. I just hope Gnutella catches up to it in functionality before that happens.

Of couse people could start implementing gIFT based peers using the open version of FastTrack. True, it can no longer work with actual FT servers, but you could form a new, more functional, P2P network around the protocol.

I agree, fasttrack has some pretty good advantages, but over time, the competition between bearshare, limewire, gnucleus and others is slowly making gnutella more powerful.

Limewire superpeers will open up the visible horizon on gnutella by a factor of 20 or more.

BearShare ping/pong scheme reduces traffic over 70%, opening up the network to better query and query result flow.

As clients implement these new features and others like hashing, etc.. gnutella is not a static protocol, every day improvements are being made, new proposals debated, and code written to bring it all together.