Gnutella Morpheus
 

on www.muciscity.com they released the preview edition of morpheus and its all gnutella.

This NEW Morpheus is a Gnucleus clone!

More infos:

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...&threadid=8627

Morgwen

More on Morpheus and Gnutella moving together on Slashdot and CNET (let's call it Mucleus):
http://slashdot.org/articles/02/03/0...9.shtml?tid=95
http://news.com.com/2100-1023-849867.html

The big Kazaa conspiracy (pretty interesting this time)
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/article.../03012002b.php
http://www.heise.de/tp/deutsch/inhalt/te/11981/1.html (german language)

Someone fooling the GDF guys (funny are the answers on this fake):
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/5702
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/the_gdf/message/5729

the new morpheus is ****, wtf were they thinking, wtf are they using gnut's protocol for? the older one was better

it seems so that the morpheus engine doesn't support fasttrack anymore. Just the Gnutella protocoll. In that case you can directly use Gnucleus, because it's free and has no ad's ;)

Morpheus
 

I believe Morpheus realised that if they continued in Fasttrack, they would be shut down easily and in a short period of time. That's why they changed to Gnutella.

About the Kazaa conspiracy, it could be true. But if it was, it is stupid. Kazaa lost thousand of users and millions of files that way.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Interesting background info
http://www.limewire.org/servlets/NewsItemView?newsID=4

Re: Interesting background info
 

no more interesting background info, but desperate marketing

oooh. You so funny.

Look at the bright side, we're gonna get lots of new users. Well, on second thought, if there software sucks and bogs down the network we're all screwed.

I don't know what to think.
 

After some thought I really don't know what to think. On one hand this is great because it attracts more people to our network, but that is the only thing that is good about it. There client software is nothing more than a slightly stripped down ~old~ version of Gnucleus. I understand this was a desperate early release to keep there user base, and I really hope they get better in the future.

My biggest fear is that they will just take and not give. They are used to leeching off of Stream Cast and I doubt that they even have any capable programmers. All they had to do with there old software was slap there logos and ads on it, and this is all they have done to Gnucleus.

On the other hand they could be a great asset and contribute a lot of development to the network and introduce new features. They are a big corporation and have deep pockets for development. But this is a double edged sword, being a big corporation and may not care about the needs of the smaller developers.

I guess we'll just have to wait and see how this all pans out. For now I’m gonna' keep using Gnucleus because it is newer and doesn't have any spyware/adware. Does anyone know if Music City has released the source yet, Gnucleus is GPL so they have to.

Re: I don't know what to think.
 

Yes but only the code based on Gnucleus!

Morgwen

I'm happy as long as they release everything that is functional. I don't really care about there ad code or other useless crap.

Re: I don't know what to think.
 

From a file called "legal.txt" distributed with the Morph preview:

"You may receive a machine readable copy of the source code for this software
from http://www.musiccity.com/ <http://www.musiccity.com/>.
This offer is valid for three years after the date on which you downloaded
the binary version of this software."

Quite cheesy of them to hijack Gnucleus, add adverts to pay for their "efforts" and give the Gnucleus developers no credit.
(Thievin' MoFo's!!)

credit is given in help>about

OH yeah sure:

"contains software licensed under GPL" blah blah blah

They are THIEVES, who having been cut off from fastrack, hijacked someone elses code and called it their own.

The typical Morph user doesnt understand anything about the fastrack/gnutella inner workings of the program, all they know is they cant leech like before.

I think streamcast is simply using Gnucleus code to buy time, until they can figure out how to get it together, or even what direction they are going to move (IE: they had the fastrack rug pulled out from under them by sharman, had no usable product of there own, stole gnucleus & rebranded.)

They stink and I hope they fess up or get sued(again)

I agree that what they did may be a little immoral and cheap, but legally as long as they follow the GPL they are OK. I suspect that there final product will just be gnucleus with an added media player and minor interface changes.

Yeah, I guess I shouldn't be so hot-headed, John Marshall seems thrilled that they are using his software for their engine.

It would just be nice if they would be more obvious that it was not, in fact, streamcast who developed the software, but then again if the GPL doesnt say thay have to, then they dont.

They come over to Gnutella and screw it up, leech everything, then they will take that and make their own little network using the same protocol but is incompatible with the real gnutella network, and after that we get dumped on.
Screw these guys.
You know the only way all these leechers got files and this thing got popular had to be because some corporate sneak set up some servers with every popular mp3 on them to make their network look good. I bet if you could have tracked it most files came from only a few dedicated machines offshore somewhere. If the RIAA ever connects that to them, the you know what is going to hit the fan (and good riddance to greedy theves!)
Look at their web site for god sake, who the F would ever think that is something cool?

We should all remember that in the end it can only be better for us because we get more users, which means more files. My original fear of crappy software has been disproved because they are using the great Gnucleus code base. In the end some of us may actually prefer Morpheous software over Gnucleus.

Better?
 

I don't think so. Go to limewire.com and see the proportion hosts/hosts accepting incoming connections since Morpheus users came.

Ivan
"In the dark we make a brighter light"

Remember, not all of the Morpheous users have come on yet, remember these are computer newbies. I have personally had to move over a few friends myself. Remember this transition won’t occur overnight. This may take a few weeks to stabilize. Most Morpheous users are probably lost with everything that is going on right now, just give it some time.

As a Morpheus user, I'm pretty gutted about what's happened, and frankly don't give a toss about the politics behind it. Kind of amusing that you people are bitching about leeches, thieves and blah when the whole basis of P2P is morally suspect in itself.

All I know is that I'm back on Gnutella after ditching both Bearshare and Limewire in favour of a P2P system that actually worked for me. After Napster I found that downloading anything off Gnutella was like trying to pull my own teeth with a pair of tweezers, and hey! Nothing's changed! I've been trying to download since yesterday morning and so far haven't managed to get ONE SINGLE TRACK! :mad:

I may just have to shoot myself.

> Nothing's changed!

If you're using the Morpheus preview edition... then there's your problem. And, it doesn't help that the gap between stable, sharing users and people who are just downloading has grown.

It may be negative short term, but long term I think it will be beneficial.

Then you must be a complete idiot cause it's not that bad. I get way too much stuff most of the time and have to delete it all so I don't fill up my 40 gig drive.
read some docs and get a clue how to set it up right.
This ain't aol anymore toto.

AOLers annoy me. I don't care if your computer stupid, just get a real ISP and don't think your all that with AOL. And by the way contrary to popular belief there is more to the internet than AOL. Actually AOL isn't even the internet, it is an online service that provides a crappy link to the real internet.

Where did I mention AOL? You're the one with the reading problem, pal.

This is my point entirely about Gnutella, it isn't remotely user friendly. Why should I have to go get a fecking degree in programming to be able to use it? My Morpheus set up worked just fine without me having to comb the internet for hints and tips on how to set it up. I have to cope with a 56k connection, I can't afford a broadband connection. If I could I'd just go out and buy the CDs.

Sorry for not quoting it. My reply was in reguards to the last line of Mr. Unregistered's post.

Let's get this thing back on topic. I just found an article on ZD-Net that is filled with inaccuracies, but still has tons of good info. http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1105-851124.html

Morally suspect??? Ya mean like FTP & HTTP, the other internet file transferring protocols?

This kind of thinking fails to realize that not everyone who uses a P2P is a thief. Granted most may be, but you can't judge P2P by its usefulness to commit crime anymore than you can say the same about a car or hunting rifle.

I've had much better luck personally on Blubster than Fastrack anyway, and it seems to move rather fast, even at 56k

See above Re: Hunting Rifle.

Yeah, like most people don't use it to download copyrighted material. I'm hardly in a position to condemn it, just pointing out an irony. lol

I did manage to download one track off Morpheus Preview the other day(woohoo!), but it took me three days to do it. 90% of my trys end in failure to connect and the odd few that connect usually blow out in a few minutes. If this is because people close out Freeloaders, how many tracks to you have to have on your machine to stop this from happening? I usually keep between 60 - 100, as I don't have a lot of memory space left on my PC (less than a Gb, in fact).

I've tried to download Limewire, but can't get round a Java problem that keeps shutting the program down before it even starts. I asked a question about it in the Limewire forum but no-one has answered it (and I had version 1.3.1, so its not because its looking for the wrong version). So I downloaded Bearshare last night but haven't had a chance to try it properly yet. Seems very slow to connect, though. 15 mins now and its still trying.

Maybe I will try your suggestion, as I'm getting nowhere fast with the others. Thanx

True enough, and neither have I been able to resist temptation in that dept, I was simply pointing out there are legitimate uses besides, like I downloaded Bruce Eckles Programming books which are freeware books (and very good also).

The main problem with the Gnucleus client that Morpheus swiped is that it is not the current version, it wasn't even an upgraded version, it was just a quicky that Swabby put out to fix a specific bug like months ago... there have been many improvements since, and I type all this because Ive seen a lot of bashing of the client by the Morpheus users who don't realize what theyre getting..sigh :(

I been testing out limewire a bit and, I gotta tell ya the new Java Runtime 1.4.0 is much more reliable, but you gotta go get it from sun.com (9mb) and install it then it should work fine.

If u are interested in mp3s blubster is the best right now, and lots of people seem to be discovering it so lots more tunes are appearing.. only bad thing is no auto resume (oh yeah and a cheesy looking website, but it functions well)

Have fun ..... and if you are asked if you ever do anything illegal online JUST SAY NO!!!! :)

I have to agree that Morpheus was easier to set-up than any Gnutella client I've ever used, it gave me more results, and downloading was more reliable because it would almost always find several other sources and do concurrent downloading.

Saying that, I still prefer the Gnutella network, not least because I don't have to use WINE because Qtella is godlike!

I have more control over the way my client interacts with the network, which is nice because I love seeing what's going on, browsing through the pointless but interesting statistics Qtella throws out. I love being able to manually connect, disconnect and block hosts, so I can tweak my hosts list so I am connected to hosts with as many connections as possible. It's so much more *fun* than it working straight away. But then I guess I'm not your average joe user there lol ;)

Personally I think the great strength of any Gnutella client is the Gnutella network. We can't be shut down, and our clients are, mostly, open sourced and under the GPL so we don't have to worry about our company coming under legal fire. And you can't easily download whole albums of a decent, constant quality (unless you've got a great connection), so I'm stopped from ever getting tempted to just download all my music. I love being able to download a few songs from a group I've heard of, and decide on that whether or not to bu ya CD.

If more people could leave their machines on 24/7 as decent nodes, the network would only get better and better :) And we should be grateful for Morpheus using the Gnutella network, with a gnutella client as the base, because it means we get huge numbers of users added to the network running on a decent engine. Sure they can close-source the interface and try to tweak the client's performance, but they can't do much to the protocol without fully involving the community. Who knows, maybe they'll try to get involved with protocol work and we'll all be a lot better off!

I think most KDE/QT apps are pretty cool, however I also can't say that I have ever heard of anyone that actually uses Qtella :)

Most people I would suspect wouldn't download all of their music, as it it too much of a pain in the butt to find it all, no matter what network you are on, and the quality lacks as compared to a CD.

The record labels would probably get far more sold if they just stopped trying to milk every dollar out of their customers and sold the dam things for a reasonable cost(and got some decent acts instead of S hitney Squeers 7 the Buttlick boyz). So I agree you can test drive a car before you buy, why not ? :)

It's not the fact of Morpheus users that are the problem, its that Streamcast didn't fully prepare their community to make the switch, and besides, it's all a money thang to them.. I don't trust Streamcast to clean my toilet, let alone develop any improvements to the client they ripped off without credit to the developer.

The big thing to keeping the Gnutella network healthy is to keep incoming connections going so that the bandwidth is shared all around.

Yes, but what reason do they have to slow their wonderful cable modem connection down? They get what they want and turn it off.

It would be helpful if the developers would make there software run in the system tray on startup, the average joe won't know the difference.

Gnutella IvIorpheus
 

This Guntella morpheus ***, i wish i had my old morpheus network back, or atleast Godamn napster. On those two networks users atually shared files, nothing but abunch of *** leaches on Guntella morpheus. No one wants to share a *** file but they all want to download. Is there any file share program/ network that is worth a *** left out there??!?!?!?!

Calm down dude. People would be much more willing to answer your questions if you were a little more polite.

Really Morpheus users weren't any better than Gnutella network users, it was just that the system of downloading each file from more than one person at once meant that you always had a few sources at any one time. If you watched the list of people you were downloading from, they'd often switch and drop off the list. It's just because no Gnutella clients, to my knowledge, implement the same system, and in fact it'd be very difficult to given the nature of the network.

When i first discovered morpheus it was great. I toyed arround with limewire and others, but it was almost impossible to make a download on my 56k modem. Fed up with gnutella (although i loved the GPL thing and all the open source), i tried morpheus partly because it had no spyware, and voila, I can download 100MB files along days, without worrying about shuting my connection of, or not finding the right guy, etc. Maybe things have changed, but as i remebered, the gnutella protocol sucked compared to the one used by morpheus and kazaa, especially for my poor dial-up connection.

I admit that i'm wrong, so could someone please tell me in what gnutella is better, mainly, does gnutella allow multiple downloads and resuming?? I think it does allow resumes, but not multiple downloads. As i said, the experience I had it sucked. Even when i managed to get a stable connection, finishing a download was almost impossible(at 98% the transfer would fail). And (at least i thought that) i had to remain connected through all the download, no resumes.

About all that "morpheu users are leechers", come on, if that was the case it wouldn't work, and it worked very well.
Besides, with morpheus it was easy to share; because of the multiple connections it is easier to share files through a dial-up line. Even if my upload bandwith is low, there will be lots of other with small bandwith that together will allow a fast download.


In windows i'm using kazaa now, i tried morpheus for a while and all the bad experience in gnutella came back again. In my Linux system i might try gnutella again to see if i like it.