What Feature Would I like? Add a New Feature!
 

I have seen that " What feature would you like? " Thread there since January. Now Correct me if I am wrong but did you limewire guys say it would be in the next big release? 2.2 Came and went, no new feature. 2.3 came and went, and still no new feature. And now 2.4, and I doubt it will happen in 2.4 . So what exactly is going on? Why do you continue to upgrade the software and not add any of the new features that we all request? I dont think anyone asked for a new layout or the ability to search by genere. But We all are asking about Remote Que. I understand a limited amount of tweaking is nesesary each release but how come I have to upgrade once a week and not notice anything new? Just a few cosmetic changes is all I see.

Personaly I think it is because of this whole "Upgrades for 6 Months" thing on us PRO users. If you move the version number up by one each time every week it then looks like we are getting our moneys worth. But in reality its the same program. The only difference in Limewire since I have purchased it about 5 months ago that I see is the Layout. I would say to change that "Upgrades for 6 Months" to " X number of Upgrades " But I would be paying every month because you change versions every week.

What really is going on here? I got Limewire Pro and Supported you guys because I hoped that I would be able to do anything with the program and find anything. But you are just restricting more and more, and removing more and more with just a few cosmetic features.

I want to see LimeWire 2.5 or what ever to have so many new updates and feature that we've all requested, that it takes a day to figure them out. So I can get my moneys worth out of this.

Here is a suggestion. Why dont you post new threads updating us on the status of your work rather than leave us in the dark wondering what big new release will be next. LimeWire will go Bankrupt unless we know what is happening with the program.

And I hope you developers Personaly will respond because im tired of you ignoring all of us that really complain that mean somthing. So I want to see feedback from the developers answering and commenting.

Thanks

well said. i have a similar request in another thread.
see my post here: http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=11418

You don't /have/ to get each and every release.

I like the regular releases. It lets the users know that work is ongoing (the alternative might be that you sit there for a couple of months not knowing if there is going to be another release). For the developers it gets immediate feedback on the things they have just implemented rather than waiting a couple of months until they've forgotten what they did and being swamped by a whole heap of issues.

And while some of the features in a release may not be immediately apparent to the user, they can have a significant impact on the network.

In any case, a number of the releases have had improvements that I have appreciated even if not everything is apprpriate to the way I use LimeWire.

Mark

Well, I may be out of line, but my feelings on the subject anyway. I purchased the pro version simply to do away with the adds. The main objective here is simply to find and download free files, and unless the new features are going to make that easier then why worry about upgrades at all. You note I said easier, not find more files, since we all know that this is a shared effort, and if the file "ain't" there, if no one is sharing it, fancy features still won't net our booty. I doubt there is no way to make limewire much more effective at finding and downloading files, after all it simply is a portal into a shared medium. I would rather have more people sharing more files myself.

Among the new features that have been added since I took up LimeWire a short time ago:

1. Swarmed downloads. Downloading from multiple locations thus speeding up the download.

2. Ultrapeer functionality that reduces the bandwidth for a leaf allowing more/faster downloads and uploads and potentially providing a greater search horizon.

3. Communications improvements that will improve performance as more people use clients that support it.

4. Improved download performance that reduces/prevents downloads being blocked (frequently at 99% of download).

5. Corruption checking - essential for downloading programs.

6. Penalising freeloaders (encouraging more people to share files).

7. More frequent re-searches to find new file hosts to download from.

I think there may have been other improvements that reduce the number of restarts.

These changes seem to be directed at "making it easier to download files".

The introduction of Hashing (rumoured to be coming in 2.5) will also be a massive boost to the ease of downloading.

Mark

OK, while we are waiting for the requested LW "New Features" to arrive;

How's about LW providing at least BASIC information
as to what is NEW, IMPROVED or FIXED in all these version releases?

Is it an upgrade for ALL users; interface functions/cosmetics?
Is it an upgrade for the Mac platform, PC platform or both?
Is it an upgrade that will be an "impact on the network"?

As the LW "User Instructions" and "FAQ's" do not keep up with new version releases...
PLEASE, at least, give us VERSION UPGRADE INFO on our LW Pro download page
so that features ARE APPARENT and FEEDBACK CAN be sent to LW.

I will agree to that whole heatedly!

Treat, thank you for proving my point so well. I don't have to get every new release. There is no change log. There are lots of great features but I DON'T KNOW ABOUT THEM!!! Thus I won't get a new release. And like the other unregistered said, all those great features that require updated clients aren't going to be used, won't "improve the health of the network", blah, blah, blah.

(is it just me or is this argument getting repetative. i still haven't heard a good reason why there isn't a change log)

Maybe its because they don't want us to know what has been changed or "supposedly" fixed. Support is virtually non-existent.

Nothing personal against you Treatid, but most of the improvements that you listed still don't work as they were intended to work.

I could care less what it looks like, just so it works.

Its like we are being fed crumbs and are expected to follow. That only works for awhile and then the followers go in a different direction. If the current trend keeps up, LimeWire will end up as a thing of the past.

Au contraire, if you compare the development of gnutella with other p2p networks, gnutella clients are adding features faster than any other network.

The features listed by Treatid work as they were intended.

Gnutella Clients
 

Didn't say Gnutella would be a thing of the past, it is a strong platform. I said, LimeWire would be a thing of the past.

As far as the features working properly, I'd venture to say that there are many, many, users that would tend to disagree with you.

Rather unlikely that we will see the end of the leading gnutella client soon. LimeWire is not the most popuilar client anymore, - however, it's the most popular client after Morpheus (according to CNET).

See there. They wont even respond
 

I create a thread to see if the LW developers will comment on all of this and they dont. What are you guys affraid of? All we ask is that you read through all of our suggestions and requests and comment on them weather or not you can impliment them and if not then give a reason. Most of these threads go un responded and that makes us think you are ignoring us. Or you are stealing all of our ideas and polishing them up to make it look like your brilliant idea.

I will not buy Limewire agian unless I see some true progress on this program. Not just network tweaks. Because most of the servers I connect to are lower version servers anyways so it does not help any to tweak if people arent upgrading for the reason that they see no new features or improvments.

Why cant you guys launch more betas? For example.

LW beta 2.4.5 : With the added feature of Remote Queing. If it works out, then release LW 2.4.5 Pro. Dont worrie about adding 20 new features at once. Just add one usefull one and go from there. I believe that one major upgrade or feature once every few weeks instead of 2 or 3 once every 2 months would be better. Get some more betas going that clearly state what is new and in testing.

You guys should make a new thread updating us on the progress of the program. Letting us know what is in testing and what is being developed. Also give an aproximate time as far as the next release. Its not all that hard. Its called customer support.

You have a long way to go if you want to be the most used Gnetella Port in the world.

Common Lets see some developer comments.

From what I've seen reading the forums, is that they only comment of posts that are not controversial or that can be easily explained due to user error.

Keep dreaming Taliban, popularity fades quickly when people are displeased. You obviously have some learning to do, or is it that you are blind to what people are saying in these forums.

LW Staff is Blind
 

I guess the Lime Wire staff is blind to what is happening to their support from the users. You cant run everything on ads. And promising specific updates and not even posting current status is bad buisness, especialy with all the Gnutella programs out there. I bet they are reading this right now and thinking " Just a few hellians trying to cause trouble " . News flash their LW, most people are starting to think what we are right now. Dont talk about updates unless you plan to impliment them sooner that what you are now.

Good Luck LW.

what does it matter to you if a developer answers your post or a 'regular' user? you don't even know if it is a developer!

Limewire has come up with a whole bunch of features that other clients also added because they are good for the network.
but i guess you don't care about development and improvements.

so i will just repeat what i already told you:
It is impossible to find a bug if no one reporting the bug also reports his/her limewire version, operating system, other relevant issues and a (detailed) error description. the words 'it does not work' mean nothing. how the heck are you supposed to fix a plane if someone tells you it does not fly? a plane is complex. it might be the eninges, the hydraulics, the wings, the weight... who knows?

come down and do something usefull like finding out under which circumstances a bug occours, try around. and then report your bug in the forum.

you need a damn lot of attention for your age! assuming you are older than five years old!

There aren't that many open source developers (and only a few are posting in this forum). If you look at your LimeWire about window you will find the following names:
Richie Bielak, Jerry Charumilind, Marvin Chase,
David Graff, Andy Hedges, Michael Hirsch, Gordon Mohr, Chance Moore, Gregorio Roper, William Rucklidge, Philippe Verdy, Stephan Weber and Fabian Merki (missing in that listing). As far as I know only one of them is posting here every now and then. It's probably more likely to meet a real limewire developer here, than meeting an open-sourcer.

However the limewire developers are really busy people, and they are working hard on big improvements for the next version. They don't have much time for answering questions of their users and some of the users in this forum will know the answers to your questions, so why would you want to wait for some comment from developers?

I posted the thread about the change log and while i supported you at first unregistered, i think you're missing the point now. your argument is that there aren't any updates to the program, but there are. there's lots of improvements to the program, the interface, & the network that have been implemented since i started using limewire a few months ago, you just can't see most of them or notice them unless you download a lot like i do. limewire is a complex program and there are only a few people working on it so you can't expect changes overnight. i'm sure that if there were a up-to-date change log (back to my rant), you would understand that they're making progress and changes are being made. that's just all the more reason to MAKE A CHANGE LOG!!!

WAKE UP!
 

Hey, when you pay for something you expect it to work right? Now if this was a free program supported only by ads I would not be here complaining. Now you rich foke out there can throw 10 bucks left and right and not care. Ten bucks for me is no big deal, the big deal is that we all pay for a program that works. Granted it has some nice features and the developers/prgramers are hard at work. BUT YOU DON'T PROMISE SPECIFIC UPDATES AND FEATURES AND NOT IMPLIMENT THEM! That is the whole point of this thread. Get that through your head. Read the thread Title. I am not complaining about the network. Gneutella is one of the best things to come around since the internet. But alot of people purchase these programs reading the forums and expecting updates. We all know its an ongoing process and yes it is hard, but the point is not to ask people what features they want when it takes nearly 6 months (Ongoing) to implement them.

Improve the network FINE! Tell US! Dont update the dang program and expect us to update if you dont tell us just what has been updated. If this program was strickly Freeware then it would be different. But now paying customers want to be answered.

If you like this program so much then you dont even need to come to the new features request forum because it obviously is good enoph for you!

No one here even knows what is going on with the program. Thats the point. Understand?

I am starting to agree with the Thread creator here. I used to be totaly supportive of limewire and even went out and purchased it because it had potential. But it seems things have slowed way down. Hokey dory updates about every week and nothing major since the Interface changed. True there are some neat features that have been added since then, but nothing that we are all asking for.

Check out this forum. It seems that alot of people are mad at LW right now.

http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=11556

Everyone has their own opinion and while I think this thread is getting out of control there are some good points on both sides. Only Sales will determine which side is right. And I am sure LW does not post earnings every month :) So we will never really know what is going on untill they themselves come out and talk.

The next version will come, when it's ready. With a development cycle of about one month LimeWire development is still very fast. Believe me if I was in charge of LimeWire development I would not keep it up.

Re: WAKE UP!
 

Relax! :)

Both must be improved the network/protocol and the client, its senseless to add features which are not supported by the protocol! Developement and testing needs a lot of time, do you want a version full of bugs?

If you want infos about updates visit www.limewire.com !

If you found a bug, send them a mail!

Limewire updates the product very often, and they sure cannot add every feature, only if more user request this feature they will do it, and as I said this needs time!


Morgwen

Re: Re: WAKE UP!
 

Morgwen, thanks for the response. the problem is, there's nothing on the website. i've looked. i've looked and looked and looked some more and there's nothing. i've gone through every page and clicked on every link and no where do they have version information. please tell me where i should be looking specifically. you might have access to something i don't, if so, i'd be very grateful if you shared.

This is tuff
 

I guess it will just take time to work out anything. Everyone here has some really good points, and each are justified. But I see a trend happening here and its not good for LimeWire. I think what everyone is mad about is that their are no updates on the web page or the forums telling us just what is going on with the program. I understand it takes alot of time to do any programing, especialy with a limited staff, but status updates weekly would calm alot of people down and make them consider keeping with LW. I too am a bit upset that I dont know what is going on with the program and I payed for it thinking it would be regularly updated with the features that we all ask. Thats why I got it. LW to date is one of the most User friendly doors to date. (In my opinion) So lets just see what happens and if LW will do anything about the complaints.

First of all it isn't that hard to find the new features at www.limewire.com. Just look at the home page, near the top. Theres' a link that says FEATURES, if you still can't find it the link is http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/features. See, now that wasn't so hard.

But anyways. I think that LW is doing great and you people are taking this a little far. People aren't going to leave just because they don't answer some of the stupid questions like "why won't my scroll wheel work." They'll leave if they don't see any updates or there is some major bugs. I've tryed several clients before LimeWire and I choose it because I can see that it's progressing and more importantly it's the first one that didn't crash all the time or screw up my computer.

I still partially agree with some of the things said in this thread. A lot of the questions aren't being answerd and the programmers seem out of touch from a user's point of view. I'm not saying that they should drop what their doing to reply to every posting, but mabey consider bringing on some people who are at least partially involved with the programmers who can frequent the forums and stuff. Also, even though there is a features list, it reads like the back of a software box. How about making a new section in the forum where the programers will start a new thread for every new feature, explaning what it does and why we should care. Then all the users could give there input on how they like it and how it might be inproved.



:( If you frequent these forums please just REGISTER. It's not that hard and that way people would know who to respond to.

I aggree
 

I agree with you. Limewire is a very good program indeed. It has its good points. But then agian it has its bad points. I think we are exposing the bad points because everyone is left in the dark about alot of stuff. If the developers took an hour every couple of days to answer the importaint questions then things would be a little better. I think a brand new folder should be opened for the developers to post updates on the status of the programing, and also the aproximate time to complete. Also since we pro users pay for six months I think they can update the program more often and just add less features every time instead of trying to bundle them all in at one big upgrade. My 6 months is about to expire and I would like to get in one more update before it does. If I like it, I will buy it agian. Everyone has some great points though and it will just take time to sort through them.

http://www.limewire.com/index.jsp/features

go look there for a second. ok, then go to http://www9.limewire.com:82/download/ and look at the upgrade dates. i think you'll find that 2.3.0 was posted on 14-Mar-2002, which is just over 2 and a half months ago. you may not be familiar with how software works, but software in development changes very fast. in two and a half months, you may have a completely new program from what you had before. this isn't a change log, this is a features list for people who want to know what they're buying. it still doesn't solve any of the reasons we need a change log, namely keeping people informed and saying what's in the newest release so people know if they want to update. i'm sure you didn't mean to be satirical completely derisive of our concerns, but that's how you came across with your message. please be more careful with your words.

The point that I was trying to make was that all of these people say that they can't find any one thing on the updates. Even when someone posted that some information could be found at www.limewire.com they still couldn't find it. I just hate it when people don't go as far as to look a little further before they go complaning to someone else.

If you would have read beyond the first paragraph of my post you would have seen that I beleave that things should be changed. Part of running any kind of business is customer support. ;^P

HUGE hashing is here, and browse host is back. How's that for changes? It may not be released yet, but it is in the CVS, and is close to release I'm sure. I compiled it and released it as an unofficial beta hehe. It works fine, and I'm glad to see the changes.

The UI was not changed much at all though, so the complaints about lack of changes will likely continue to flow in

The cvs doesn't contain many improvements over the old version at the moment. The huge code isn't complete yet and still lacks the alternate location support for downloads.

well this is partly true... HUGE should at least make resuming alot easier and fail-safer.. shouldn't it?!
people will always complain that they can't see the changes. well the heck with it even if you don't feel it this is a really worthy piece of software that's coming up...

it's still buggy though...

CVS Huh?
 

So are we all supposed to compile our own version of LW in order to get the new features? I thought thats what the 10 bucks paid for. At any rate. They should get a new beta going at least with some of the new features. Anything is better than nothing at this point I think.

CVS is a system used to simplify the work of many programmers on one piece of code... Anyway it is always the latest code that's been developed.
beside the developers there are a couple people testing it and/or using it. but they compile it themselves.
code from the CVS is not close to a beta. It might be when a beta is released but currently it is alpha or pre alpha. I think normal users wouldn't like it because it usually has more bugs and is not as optimized.

you paid the 10 bugs for a working piece of software and not for a untested software. and that's what they are working on right now.

a beta will come out when most bugs have been fixed. you should just hang on a week or two (don't blame me if this is a wrong estimation :p )

if you think you want to handle those bugs send me a PM with your email in it and i will send you a zip with the current version.

HUGE isn't used to make resuming fail-safer, yet. Current LimeWire cvs doesn't rely on hashes at all, however it sends the hashes of its files in its replies which could be called something like initial HUGE support. As for the rest, like alt. loc. support, the code is mostly there but it's yet unused.

The cvs-version works quite well at the moment. a few exceptions popping up every now and then, but nothing that really spoils the download experience.

New Features
 

So what exactly is supposed to be in the CVS version? I would not mind cmpiling my own as long as it is not a waste of time or effects my gnetella experience.

Granted, LimeWire is still in its early stages but I still see that adding less features more often, instead of more features less often makes things a little better. Most people on the Gnetella network use it alot. I know I spend at least a few hours every night on it. Trying till fill all 300 gigs of space I have :) So I would really like to see new improvements on a by weekly basis. But since I am not there at the LimeWire Building I dont really know what its like.

As far as updates. I think that they should be talking to us more on what is going on with the program. Thats all.