Why do you bother w/Limewire?
 

Easily the buggiest, least successful P2P program available.

I know of no one who has had consistent success with it. This is
also evidenced by the comments in this forum.

Between the ridiculously low d/l success rates and the rampant complaints,
why bother?

:o It work for me.... and thousands of people, 99% of people bothering going on GF are for help, so it's normal. Use what suits you the best et calmos;)

I just love these supposed old timers who respond by calling people names.

Grow up junior.

I bother with Limewire because I'm running Mac with OS8.6 and I don't know of another good Mac client. I haven't had the best sucess with Limewire either but I'm not sure there is another game in town.

I tried Myster and it doesn't seem ready for prime time. Everything else requires OSX.

Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?

(crickets)

Hear hear. Thanks for all your posts Peerless--I find them useful and now fun too.

btw brainiack, do you seriously want to know why I (and 100,000 others) bother with gnutella? Or just LW?

Like roliepolieolie, I'm on Mac and now OSX. Acquisition doesn't offer the detail I need to understand what is developing in this FASCINATING opensource multilanguage multiplatform project (note: it's not yet a proprietary commercial program).

Opensource is a key reason; community is another: above all, solving the problem of how peers can share on a decentralized network

I don't know what profit financial gurus like Mark Gorton and Greg Bildson may eventually realize by developing LW the way they did, but in the meantime an OPEN tool is being developed that will and has given the non-commercial community some pretty powerful resources.

In short--it's a worthwhile learning experience.

Salut Stief, this is music to my ears....
Merci!

Salut et voilà--vive la [le?] gnutella libre!

Tough one... It should be: Vive le (réseau as in Québec) Gnutella libre! I personally prefer: Vive l'ouverture d'esprit de Gnutella! (Vive the open mind of Gnutella!)

always nice to see a good argument

No argument--just a good question.

Seriously though, is there any other computer project that can legitimately claim to be developing the scope of the ideal of the "digital commons" as much as gnutella in general and LW in particular?

Phillipe Verdy's language work (eg http://gui.limewire.org/servlets/Rea...1&listName=dev), the international contributions of opensourcers like Gregorio, Sam, Jens-Uwe, Roger and many I don't know of really show an international community freely offering their time and talents. These forums give those of who can't code the chance to ask and maybe even help contribute what we can too. That is why bugs can be identified--and worked on! Gad--what--40 releases in the last year?

Seriously--does any other project have a better claim to developing the digital commons?

Their website looks nice but they appear to only support Mac OS X.


Not a lot of options for us 8.6 people. Nosiree.

Under this handle maybe.

Commenting on well documented shortcomings of a program is not "flaming."
It is simply a justified critique. Why are you so defensive of such an inferior product junior?

So, you're 82 years old and still naive?

It seems my name has cropped up!
 

Well, it's good to see that everything is as I left it a month or so ago. Some people want Limewire to deliver jam tomorrow and the brave troops defend the line that the application is doing the best it can in adverse conditions.

I have been looking at the alternatives to Limewire for Mac users and can report that all of them are inferior if what you want is a free search engine that delivers a wide range of product in a reasonably efficient manner. It would not be a contructive use of limited space here to deliver a detailed critique of the opposition clients. Suffice it to say that they may all start with the appearance of delivering the goods but, statistically, they do not measure up.

However, the use of this system is not actually the most efficient system for exchanging material. The world of hubs provides a more effective source for all forms of media. I've been using Neo-Modus DC and it's a painless way of accumulating material in a serendipitous way. The supposed drawbacks are that there is no free search facility available (unless you can get dcgui.qt to work) and the pop-up system is highly disruptive. You need OSX for all the best Mac based hub software.

Should you explore this world? Well, you're going to need a trading quantity of material before you start. All the better hubs require a minimum holding of useful files as a key to entry. And, before you think of cloning files to cheat the system, all the better hubs are all policed and fakers are kicked off. The better the hub, the larger the holding required and the more rigorous the checking. However, once you have gained admission to some sensible hubs, you can begin looking around for what you want. And, once located, you can d/l for as long as the other users stay on-line or return to the hub.

So if you are a broadband user and stay on-line for long periods of time, you can accumulate whatever you want and a lot you didn't know you wanted until you found it. The exercise is mildly addictive for those with a pack-rat disposition like me. However, if you only want specific files and you have limited access to the net, Mac users should stay with Limewire. It is a labour-intensive way of acquiring what you want but, believe the really old man when he tells you that the other free-searching ways ain't worth spit.

Good to hear from you again. Wondered what you were trying now.
Cheers.

Pluckers and David91s
 

Peerless, ya miserable dishonest old plucker... You've been lying to me about your age again ? Ssheeeeeeesh !
Strumming me along !

And, as for David91... well, sure is nice to see a post from him, huh ? :p

Ya dirty old creeps !

Now, seconds away and continue your polite battle !

Learn Something New Every Day Dept:
 

Who says life isn't full of surprises ? :D

Venturing into the L/W Forum, this old tin man has found it to be, like most forums, well, like all other forums.

HA HA HA!

I don't have the problems mentioned in the "Why do you bother w/Limewire?" original post.

Of course, I am a patient old man. I also don't expect free lunches.

What if it takes 30 minutes to DL a 3 MB file? What if it takes three days to complete a file? Folks are not out to get you when a DL goes into "awaiting sources". It happens to me half the time.

Move on!
Do something else.
Maybe... get a life? Well I did say maybe.

Remember there are any number of reasons that lines go down and disruptions by ISP are common.

To answer the posters question, I own tons of vinyl that I can't/don't feel like wet - transferring myself. I bought the copywrited legal versions of over 140,000 tunes over 40 years.

I use Limewire to DL files that I own in another format for my own listening pleasure.

No, I can't DL all the songs since whole volumes are found only on vinyl. I can find most all the songs I personally listen to and it's so much fun "on the hunt" for an elusive file. :D

I can see my work here is done.

And Limewire is still a POS.

[aside: Peerless, have you grokked brainerd? http://www.newtechusa.com/PPI/pressroom.asp#interview]

trap_jaw, if you'd be kind enough to reply, why do you bother with Limewire?

Too bad there aren't more bugs to keep us busy.

I initially bothered with LimeWire because I had to learn Java, so I was looking for an interesting open-source project that was written in Java to write a little code.

I like the idea of the open-source movement so I remained with LimeWire, especially since it's probably the best Gnutella client that runs on Linux.

I'm not using LimeWire very often, except for the purpose of testing. I don't tend to find the content I want on Gnutella and when I upload stuff to Gnutella it is not reshared. So long I am trying to help making Gnutella a little better although it might be a little like fighting wind mills, given the attitude of certain vendors releasing badly written clients which fail to implement important new features (but add useless ones like proxy support instead, - God, I have written a proxy patch for LimeWire last year already.).

Jens-Uwe got me wondering if the Linux kernel project has the best claim to the largest project that furthers the ideal of the digital commons. (Do you code for it too?)Hmm. Lots to think about here. "certain vendors" would include LW, and quixotic would describe many opensourcers, I guess. I'm interested in knowing what the important features would be that haven't been implemented (FT access?), but thought the proxy stuff would help the half of the network that is firewalled which seemed a major factor in so many downloads being interrupted. Your PFS patch was used; so did the proxy patch just get forgotten?

I wonder why your stuff isn't being reshared. If it's being leeched by other networks, I can see why a two-way path would be a more important priority, or do you think coding LW to make uploading as easy as downloads should be more important?

Sorry for the length; I guess I'm just asking what the important changes should be (I don't know enough to judge a "badly written" core), but cheers anyways.

I try to keep away from anything written in C whenever it's possible. (The linux kernel is far beyond me...)

If "FT access" is "FastTrack access", I can tell you that it will never be implemented. LimeWire could be sued for reverse engineering the encrypted protocol (thanks to the DMCA).
I have the impression that 60%-70% of the network are firewalled (at least that's what my new gnutella crawler suggests). Proxies could help, but my patch didn't include the possibility to bind a port on a SOCKS proxy (to accept incoming connections). I just saw that uploading/downloading & gnutella connections via proxies are possible because my university was preventing direct connections to the gnutella network.

The next important changes are that the other vendors implement dynamic querying & partial filesharing.
After all the new features have been implemented that are currently under way (client-side leaf guidance in querying, out-of-band replies, NIO, improved alt-src-mesh) the next big thing could be THEX/TTH & a distributed hashtable but there is not much more LimeWire could do to improve downloads. Proxying is certainly not a solution for the problem with firewalled users. Public proxies are usually slow and many ISPs do not offer SOCKS proxies.

Why bother?
 

I am so new it would make you sick, or maybe just green. I love Limewire, cause its so easy.
If I ever reach geekhood, I hope I dont need complicated software , to prove how big my prowess is.

(F.F.F) Flatulent Foolish Flamer)