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caseybob March 29th, 2008 05:04 AM

Holy Smokes-Another New 'Bandwidth Throttling Tool'???
 
Never look at 'Library' after enabling 'LW Share'; always in 'Monitor' or 'Search'. But did this AM, and astounded to find exactly 50 hits in every single one of my first 300 song files within 45 seconds. For remaining 1400+ song files about half had the same number, and all kept increasing at exactly the same rate. Have had Bandwidth Throttle problems in past from my ISP and strongly suspect this is a new method (to me anyway).... the odds of having exactly 50 hits in first 300 files and half of the rest in less than a minute, with hits all increasing at same rate after, have to be IMPOSSIBLE. Would any monitors or members who have seen this unlikely phenomenon happen, please reply, perhaps with solution, if there are any.
Thanks, caseybob

Cyn222 April 5th, 2008 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by caseybob (Post 312653)
Never look at 'Library' after enabling 'LW Share'; always in 'Monitor' or 'Search'. But did this AM, and astounded to find exactly 50 hits in every single one of my first 300 song files within 45 seconds. For remaining 1400+ song files about half had the same number, and all kept increasing at exactly the same rate. Have had Bandwidth Throttle problems in past from my ISP and strongly suspect this is a new method (to me anyway).... the odds of having exactly 50 hits in first 300 files and half of the rest in less than a minute, with hits all increasing at same rate after, have to be IMPOSSIBLE. Would any monitors or members who have seen this unlikely phenomenon happen, please reply, perhaps with solution, if there are any.
Thanks, caseybob



This is happening to me too (why I came to the forums) ever since I DL the new version of LW. It's sort of freaking me out because I have no idea what's going on and it never happened in the old version. I've had my LW open for about 3/4 of an hour and and the hits in my shared folder are already reaching (ok, now past) 400 hits on each song, with only 3 actual uploads. The first time I noticed it, the hits had gotten into the thousands on each song within a few hours.

Unlike caseybob, I've never even heard of Bandwidth Throttle, but if this is what's going on...help, please. If it's not what's going on and somebody knows of another reason...help, please.

Thanks in advance.

caseybob April 5th, 2008 09:26 PM

REPLY TO CYN222 re: HUGE # OF HITS ON LW STARTUP
 
Hey 222: This is a new (to me) method of dramatically slowing down your LW p2p service, unless it is a LW glitch (unlikely). So don't think your upgrade to newer LW is the problem; likely a coincidence. Strictly speaking, it is NOT 'Bandwidth Throttling', where your ISProvider uses a sophisticated program to monitor and detect when you are online using a p2p application. This program then, for example, 'throttles' or chokes the 625KBytes/sec d'load you have signed up for, to say 62KB/s, a mere 10% of what you are paying for. Less common, are ISPs that 'throttle' your p2p uploads, and some do both, up & down. This is very common in the internet provider industry, where they politely refer to it as 'traffic shaping', and in last few years has turned into an epidemic; a virtual war against their own clients, so they don't have to buy more big chunks of expensive extra bandwidth, preserving profits. And if you call about this problem, few ISP's will admit it, foisting you off with excuses like heavy traffic or your long distance from the server node.

However, the massive and exact same number of hits on every file within a few minutes is NEW, and I strongly suspect is coming from companies hired by the record & movie industry, not your ISP. The various industry associations have been fighting a serious protracted battle against p2p for years, and this is likely the latest in a barrage of weapons they use, from salting sharing apps with tons of fake files, to attempting to fiddle with your Internet port.

My guess above may be wrong, but in two recent posts have asked for response and guidance from monitors or senior members. I did not get a single reply to either post from all the people who keep LW as good a p2p app as is possible. Perhaps they know there is no known defense against this, so don't bother to reply. Or, like Social Security, it is part of the 'third rail' of the p2p world, and they are reluctant to reply to anything that involves the extremely important battle to keep the Internet free of controls like these, that completely undermine the prime principle of this wonderful tool of communication.

Anyway, we all trundle along in the midst of this largely hidden and vital battle, and hope the senior people at LimeWire will have the courtesy to at least reply to important questions from average users.

Best of Luck, caseybob

birdy April 5th, 2008 10:58 PM

Hi caseybob,

I've never seen the situation that you've described (identical massive number of hits on files). Which version of LW are you using? Have you tried rolling back to older versions of LW, just to see whether this might be version-related?

The helpers here are LW users, just like you...we don't work for or represent LW in any way:) So, if you're looking for an 'official' response from LW this isn't the place to get it;) Perhaps no senior members or moderators here replied to your earlier posts because they don't have an answer for you.

If you'd like a response from LW developers, or people who work for LW, try posting your question at this other forum. You'll need to register over there, before you can post.
LimeWire Forums
If you're using the latest version of LW, or the latest Beta version, post in the 'bugs & beta testing' section...a developer might respond to your post there.

Cyn222 April 6th, 2008 12:03 AM

Thank you...
 
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However, the massive and exact same number of hits on every file within a few minutes is NEW, and I strongly suspect is coming from companies hired by the record & movie industry, not your ISP. The various industry associations have been fighting a serious protracted battle against p2p for years, and this is likely the latest in a barrage of weapons they use, from salting sharing apps with tons of fake files, to attempting to fiddle with your Internet port.

My guess above may be wrong, but in two recent posts have asked for response and guidance from monitors or senior members. I did not get a single reply to either post from all the people who keep LW as good a p2p app as is possible. Perhaps they know there is no known defense against this, so don't bother to reply. Or, like Social Security, it is part of the 'third rail' of the p2p world, and they are reluctant to reply to anything that involves the extremely important battle to keep the Internet free of controls like these, that completely undermine the prime principle of this wonderful tool of communication.
Hi Caseybob, thanks so much for responding, I'm really quite lost when it comes to this sort of thing and was pretty freaked out. I've got over 3000 hits on each shared song now, with a grand total of 6 uploads. Do you think all these hits may somehow stop or at least hinder people who are actually searching from finding a way to do so? Only 6 uploads seems very odd.

Anyway, I do thank you...I didn't have a clue what was going on, "sort of freaked out" was an understatement and your explanation of 'Bandwidth Throttling', as well as what you think it might be happening really did help. I honestly thought I had some new type of virus or something.

So, we'll trundle along together...and hopefully somebody might have an answer.

But, you really did help (my heart rate is almost back to normal) so, again... thank you!


P.S. to birdy, I just saw your post as I was about to hit send. Seriously, it's just bang, bang, bang, right after the other, the hits don't stop. Since I started this post, I'm past the 4000 hits per song mark now, heading fast to 5000....still with only 6 uploads. My DL's are fine, but I think I will try getting rid of this version just to see what happens. (4.16.6 right now)

Thanks you for the link...I'll try asking over there.

caseybob, if you hear anything, could you message me please...or post here? I'll do the same. I keep getting lost on this board (damn newbie) *wink* but have this forum bookmarked.

Remoc April 6th, 2008 02:58 AM

Just did a quick, VERY Unscientific Test, and what I came up with, is if you disable DHT Capabilities, the hits decreased considerablely.
To disable DHT go to Tools > Options > Advanced > Performance. Check Disable Mojito DHT Capabilities. I also Disabled TLS which will save CPU resources.

With DHT Enabled, Had Files with Hits between 500 and 900 in a span of about 30 minutes.

With DHT Disabled, Had only 2 Files with just over 200 hits in the same time frame.

I don't know if this is helpfull or even relevent, but it did seem to have some sort of impact on this issue. :D


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