*Request for Shareaza forum
 

please create a Shareaza forum, nice new Gnutella client (Windows). http://www.shareaza.com/

Yes I agree but I think we should wait until we know which affect Shareaza has to the Gnutella net!

Did you tested this client Moak? Did you see if the client harms the net or not?

Morgwen

Which affect it has? I think you got influenced to much by negative client bashing. Even if it WOULD have a kind of negative effect it should still get a forum here. I'm a "bazar" type of developer, release early, release often, improve your software.

I don´t think so I don´t want to support a second Qtrax here!

I am not influened by any comments I want only that I can say "Hey shut up this is a rumour, its proven that this client don´t hurt the net"!

Morgwen

I think this "unhealthy client" is currently a totally non-issue.

Gnutella never really had a problem with unhealthy servents in the past or today. Of course the protocol has is weakness and software is never bugfree, so are programmers. But if someone speaks about unhealthy client, then it's usually a marketing phrase (some call it "Vinnie phrase"). Better ignore this topic, instead test new software, give the developers a short feedback and they will fix fast in case of problems, also create better software, improve the protocol, improve Gnutella. That is what happened with Gnutella in the past. Back to topic, a forum is a great place to share knowledge, help users and improve a client. Without communication you just hide problems, not solve it.

I am not against this idea... but I don´t want to see this "maniacs" here which are crying ALL clients are bad but mine is not... and exatly this people discuss about an option to block other clients or users... I know this sucks but this is the reality of Gnutella!

Morgwen

I understand. :)

Well, let me say it this way: giving good clients and good developers a platform is the best what can happen IMHO. A userbase will find bugs, different developers can help each other or advice newcomers. Do not get influenced to the bad by some maniacs even if the orks cry loud.

Perhaps I should buy a bow... ;)

Morgwen

Wait!
You mean I can block BearShare with this?
I say give it top listing here and lots of support!
Put it at the top!

No I mean the people who cry the clients are all bad want such a feature... I recently read a lot such posts on bearshare.net and some people here modify open source clients to block other clients...

I think all people who want to block something shouldn´t discuss with us about which client is hurting the net as long as they don´t realize that they are also hurting the net...

Morgwen

anyone can be a bad peer, it doesn't matter what client you use. but with shareaza you can see all that going on in the system menu, and it lets you switch between 0.4 network and 0.6 network so you can connect more peers. i say shareaza isn't another parasite like Qtrax.

buy two and send me some female elbs....... ;)

I hate to say this, I really, really hate to say this but...

Vinnie has to be given some credit for holding back all this time on re-queries when he could have made his client "more popular" by increasing the results through massive queries.
I don't know if it's because he knows he would get ragged on big time, or if he hates re-queries. From his previous posts about re-queries I would say he hates them.
No excuses for the other crazy stuff he has done though.

And don't forget that selectively blocking clients can also move you around the network to find those rare files.

Ah yes?

And who tells you which clients have the rare files?

You know that the most people will use this feature for blocking clients they don´t like not for finding rare files...

Morgwen

I agree with Moak, a Shareaza Forum should be added as soon as possible. It's technology is quite advanced - no other servent has Multisourcing, Ultrapeers, Hashes, Metadata and Flow Control, and it definetely returns more search results than Gnucleus. It seems indeed to be the best Gnutella servent I have tried so far, it's even close to KaZaA. Being bugfixed and better known to the public, it could attract many new users...I have to admit though that i get suspiciously few uploads, other users have observed the same. this should certainly be investigated closer, yet i don't think this one is a leecher.

I'm definitely in favor of creating a Shareaza forum. We’ve received some terrific support from many generous individuals and sites, but overall it’s been very difficult to promote Shareaza widely. Most of the sites listing Gnutella clients do not list Shareaza. It just goes to show that offering cutting edge technology is only the first step, and doesn’t do much good unless people know about it! :)

I’ve read most of the comments here and really appreciate the support you guys have given Shareaza. I’ve also seen some questions raised about whether it “plays fair” with the Gnutella network, etc, and so I plan to write a good technically-minded response to that soon. Rest assured that Shareaza plays very fair indeed.

In fact unlike many Gnutella clients, Shareaza does not discriminate in any part of its operations. It does not employ “friendly vendor clustering”, proprietary handshakes, selective search responses or download favoritism. Nor does it use any aspect of the Gnutella protocol to produce an unfair (and disruptive) advantage for users. Shareaza requeries only when specifically requested by the user, or when looking for a specific file (which uses a highly specific SHA1 search, and is still throttled to avoid excessive load). It also goes to reasonable lengths to clean up network traffic if it is performing a routing role (traditional node or Ultrapeer) by filtering packets, prioritizing transmissions, decoding and re-encoding to ensure standard compliance, etc.

The advantage you get by using Shareaza comes from its efforts to squeeze the most out of the Gnutella protocol and all its vendor-specific variations, not abusing the network with selfish traffic. The high performance of searches in Shareaza are a result of its ability to work with and understand several competing data formats promoted by different Gnutella vendors, all in a unified manner. Rather than just supporting its own features and standards, it’s built to understand everyone else’s as well, so you basically get the “best of every world”.

A lot of people have found that Shareaza does really well in the download area too, but once again that isn’t the result of any unfair play. It doesn’t hammer hosts or use any unethical tricks. Unlike many other clients which have had to tack new features onto existing code, Shareaza’s download core was designed from scratch to support optimized fragment acquisition and efficient scheduling. From what I’ve seen, it has the most sophisticated mechanism out there. (and for good reason – I use a 28.8k modem, the faster the better!)

Anyway, thanks again for the support and many suggestions we’ve received. The current Shareaza release is 1.0.2.2, however in the next day or two we should see a new major release which is very, very cool. I’m pretty sure Shareaza already sports more features than any competing product, but there’ll be absolutely no doubt about that soon. Everything happens faster, you get more control, and yeah.. its good. :)

You should send CycloCide a PM, this is the fastest way and perhaps you want to be a mod in this forum?

Morgwen

I have Shareaza [edit: version 1.0.2.2] running in the background for 5h30m now, yet i only got one single upload request, and that was for an extremely rare file (a french rock band from the 80's)...i'm sharing lots of music, most of it is far more popular, yet noone uploads it. this is definitely not normal, nor does it happen with any other gnutella servent. using gnucleus i have at least one upload per hour (that's not much either, but i'm on ISDN). i suspect there must be some bug in the upload code, i see no other explanation.

Which vendor code (in QueryHits) does Shareaza use?

My experience with uploads is the same, not a lot when compared to others (gnucleus, phex)

I think Shareaza uses the vendor code RAZA. I'm not sure though, i'm gonna ask in their forum...

Thx Abaris, it's added to the FAQ

Funny, I got bombed with upload requests although
I have an ISDN line. Maybe the problem is fixed with the
newest version (1.1) of Shareaza?

Using Shareaza I am U/Ling continuously..... not an exaggeration..... I am never NOT uploading.

v1.1.0.1 is great and I am sure that it is only a small sample of what is still to come.

It is very sad to see the response of so many people to a new client of this quality and integrity. There has been an automatic reaction of negativity, and much of that has come from people who have not used the client.
And, much comes from the 'great and knowledgeable' who come in to pass their verdicts while they are 'knowledgeably' condemning clients instead of the 98SE OS they are running!
Gnucleus experiences much the same thing from much the same sort of people...... to learn what a client can do needs more than five minutes deciding if you 'like' the user interface.
The 'established players' are blowing it so big that it is difficult to continue to respect those who still blindly support the old established 'steady' clients. Not one of them can come near Shareaza now, and they must be feeling a bit strange about that, hmmm?
No tears, though! :p

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