don't add http:// for URLS, or accept magnet:? as starter for an URL
 

I just tried again to post magnets of GnuFU, and I can't make them URLs, because the forum-software always adds http:// in front of them (so they don't work).

Could you change this?

Agreed!

Appparently this is fairly easy to set up, as seen in the http://www.magnetmix.com and http://www.magnetdb.com/index.php pages

Technically it shouldn´t be a problem, but I don´t think its a good idea to allow people to post magnet links here. We disussed this several months ago and we saw that we can´t control if the links are legal or not. Arne don´t get me wrong I don´t think you would post illegal links but if we open the door nobody can overview what will happen.

My european two cents.

Morgwen

People can already post magnet links, only they will take up so much space and look ugly. This is just a request to allow them to be formatted properly.

[ugly magnet links edited]

http links can lead to spam or other malware, so that is not a good reason to not format magnets properly.

Arne is right--just don't auto add http to magnets .

magnets are a good way to test for gnutella connectivity on these forums.

Stief we don´t want that people post magnet links on this forum. If Arne and you are now starting others will follow, who will check the links you? Actually we didn´t add this to our rules but I think its time for it.

The http thing isn´t the problem.

Morgwen

The legitimacy of links is a separate problem--same as the legitimacy of http links like in signatures.

You've had a few problems with those in the past, but not enough to ban http links and I think it would be a bad idea to start banning arne and trap_jaw's signature. Both are good examples of links that are posted to help gnutella users.

Magnets are a legitimate protocol--we shouldn't automatically assume they point to infringing content, which is what the **IA want people to think when p2p is discussed.

Perhaps it would be best to add to the rules that if posting a link, make it clear that the content is legitimately shared, asd trap_jaw did here http://www.gnutellaforums.com/showth...threadid=19732

Personally I think magnet support would be a great addition. Of course some people won't follow the rules, but many are already disgressing rules about copyrighted material in posts. I guess mods just would put to trash thread with suspect content, just like we do now.

Ciao

Nobody said that we will ban the signatures. We aren´t talking about HTTP links. HTTP links are no pronlem I can check within a few seconds if this link is Ok or not.

I don´t say that magnet links are automatically illegal. What I say is very simple NOBODY can assure that they are NOT illegal. We can´t check them without downloading the file. We don´t have the time for it... as I said we discussed this already, We didn´t found a practible way to allow magnet links.

Morgwen

et voila... we discussed it veeeeeeeery long and exatly this is the problem. You can´t know that the content is illegal without downloading it... we haven´t the time to check all the links.

I don´t want to discuss the same point twice, I said if anybody will find a practible way its no problem but you know nobody had the magic idea.

Morgwen

I remember the discussion, but I also believe only long timers (meaning they know forum rules) will post magnets. And it's not like we are going to create a forum for that as we ruled that out last time. For me, the only problem is about CC willing to do it.

My 2 cents canadian beaten by your two euro cents :D

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I don´t think so. Others will also post magnet links. And if we would allow only some long timers to post links there would be a discussion why are they allowed to do it and not all members bla, bla...

CC is the minor problem if we find a practible way.

If we allow magnet links than only in a special forum, where we can overview them and only some "special" people could post there. IMO this is the only practible way, but who is allowed to post magnets? Of course only trusted people, but don´t count with the mods I am sure the most won´t post magnets, so we have to upgrade some senior mebers to magnet link posters. Will you make a list?

All other magnets besides this forum should be deleted.

I remember that I suggested this but nobody really agreed to it.

Morgwen

Hmm, thing is that newbies don't know how to post magnets that works. They would have to lurk here a while before knowing how. Probably that by the time they know how to do it, they would be responsible. Just like it's seems to be on shareaza forums. Maybe we should ask Kath if they have problems over there with abuse of copyrighted magnets...

Creating a forum only for magnets and rejecting magnets in others seems a difficult technical task for CC. I for one wouldn't know to proceed without kacking Vbulletin.

Ciao

New to our forum don´t mean that they have no experience. When you or me are joining a new forum they don´t know how much you or me know or don´t know...

Its absolut no problem. We do it the old way trash by view. ;)

We just add a rules which forbids to post magnet links and that only "special" people are allowed to do it. This way we don´t need to check the links we just delete it.

The difference is that we aren´t responsible for shareaza forums, when the admi is living with the risk its his personal choice. btw do you know where their server is placed? This could be a very important point...

Morgwen

I can see the problem of mods verifying that magnets are legitimate.

So, what about allowing magnets that the poster declares to be legitimate? Undeclared magnets could be edited just as http ones are now, with a note to declare them.

Will CC allow magnets to be formatted properly now?

(and I'll take out the ones I posted earlier)

No way. Some users will always bend the rules, especially file sharers no law no rules... they could create fake accounts declare that the link is legitimate or they can declare the earth is a disk and we can´t do anything.

Morgwen

Now, wait, I'm confused. What is the difference between a magnet and http link again?

You implied that you have to download a magnet link but not an http one. Well I don't know about you, but my TCP/IP connection requires me to download an HTTP resource before I know what it is.

That being said, I've built a Gnutella Magnet URI Redirect Service for such scenarios. It only works for Gnutella at the moment.

Know the similarity between displaying in a browser and downloading to a file. Either way you are downloading. If we had better magnet browsers, we could use them akin to http browsers. In fact, magnet should be supported next to http and https.

Reading seems to be a big sience...

I said that I can check a http link within a few seconds. If you look in our rules we only allow links to "websites" which refer to the topic or to p2p, all others aren´t allowed and will be deleted.

Morgwen