alright, i uninstalled all my versions of java and installed the offline version and then installed the new 4.12 version of limewire and deleted those 2 limewire and limewire. folders.

it looks like everything is up and running, i dont know what fixed it, but i have a feeling it was the java, since i couldnt get it to even load at first.

thanks so much for your help, i really appreciate it, i was getting super frustrated the other night trying to get this to work, so thanks again